Replace ‘alliance’ with ‘gilneas’ and that’s basically what happened. ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
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Dude are we really doing this
Please don’t tell me you’re comparing Genn going after Sylvanas in Stormheim when she was up to shady stuff to the assault on Gilneas, the bombing of Theramore, the Burning of Teldrassil, or Brennadam
Both sides still exist despite the Horde trying really, REALLY hard to wipe out the Alliance every now and then
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i’m late to the party, but this is false. He was ordered to engage if he deemed it necessary. he deemed it necessary. We can debate if it was or was not indeed necessary, but i think we can all agree that there was a lot of lee-way in how his orders were presented to him.
I think questions of right and wrong are often so muddled that they aren’t really that meaningful.
Genn can commit and act of war for bad reasons AND prevent Sylvans from obtaining a weapon she intends to use in a war with the Alliance that she already intended to start.
So yes, the Alliance is probably better off for Genn having done what he did, but it doesn’t change the fact he’s the kind of person who would commit an act of war for bad reasons and that’s not a game you can count on winning every time.
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no, just an entire novel entitled “war crimes” where a member of the horde is accused of war crimes. You’re right.
Yes. It did. It’s actually in Before the Storm. Sylvanas literally wants to purge stormwind of living humans, and she literally woke up one day and said that.
Its actually the reason my paladin fights now, in my own head canon. He hated the alliance/horde BS. He thought the alliance had no reason to continue violence towards the horde after the events of WCIII and it’s expansion.
I hate that the writers did it, but face it man… your faction got villain batted. Sylvanas is literally a mustache-twirler now. I hate it, but its the truth.
Bro this topic is stale. Millions of these over the summer lmao
I think the issue is more with bad timing rather than bad reasons.
So why didn’t Sylvanas move into the Plaguelands and expand further eastward, or eliminate the Scarlet Brotherhood completely and take over their fortress for her own.
Also I’m tickled by your statement about an undead high elf somehow being the rightful ruler of a former human kingdom.
If the whole horde wanted the alliance gone you would have been wiped out in mists. You all were on the ropes and without the horde rebellion storm wind would be a parking garage with spikes on it
On the ropes my light-filled buttocks. We won the battle of theramore, and we won it easily. Aaaaaand then you bombed a mostly-evacuated city, killed a neutral mage and jaina’s apprentice. Lets not pretend you struck a decisive blow. The plan was to kill the alliance’s leadership. you didn’t even do that right.
Theramore was specifically a trap to lure in as many forces possible for when the bombing happened. The plan was never to win the battle itself but to make sure a bunch of enemies were there.
Yeah, i know. As you can see, i covered that
Well, you mention it. But you also say ‘We won the battle of Theramore, and we won it easily.’ Such a victory is meaningless because that was the point.
And the plan was a success. It wasn’t to kill the Alliance leadership, just as many as possible in Theramore they could lure in. Numerous leaders and their forces. Almost the entire 7th Legion fleet, several generals, and all the soldiers involved died in the bomb. Only Jaina, Vereesa, and Shandris made it out.
"We waited. On my orders, we waited. We waited until the 7th Legion’s fleet, almost in its entirety, came to Theramore Harbor. We waited until the greatest generals of the Alliance - Marcus Jonathan and Shandris Feathermoon among them - came to the aid of poor Lady Jaina to offer their best soldiers and their brilliant strategies. We waited until Kalecgos of the blue dragonflight came, until five members of the Kirin Tor, including their leader, Rhonin, came. Ships and soldiers, magi and generals, all at Theramore.
p235
“I know,” Varian said, "but it’s still a strategic foothold that we’ve got to get back before we can make a move. We’ve got to rebuild the fleet. We lost a lot of good people at Theramore; It’s going to take time to call back others from their posts to fill their positions.
p273
The mood sobered at once. Of all the brilliant warriors and tacticians sent to aid Theramore, only Shandris and Vereesa remained. So many had been lost.
Tides of War p308
Yup. And we got the strategic foothold back, and then broke your blockade. Also in tides of war, though i don’t have a page number since i listened to it in an audiobook.
Point being, that war was more of a stalemate, not a horde slaughterhouse.
And my point being that the strategy enacted at Theramore was a success. The Alliance lost a lot because of it.
but like in inglorious basterds when the cheeky german dude was gloating to brad pitt…
“but you didn’t get jaina, you didn’t get shandris, you didn’t get genn, and you didn’t get varian.”
Yeah, the plan wasn’t to end the war in one night as it was in Inglorious Basterds. Just to inflict a significant victory.
maybe i’m just remembering it wrong. i should listen to it again… i thought it was supposed to cripple the alliance… that’s why Garrosh waited so long to send his forces forward after northwatch.