Genn Greymane is an Aggressor

[Irenaus-wyrmrest-accord (Irenaus)]

Thumbing back through, the only intent seemed to be to kill as many as possible at once. As per the quote, it drew in numerous generals, elite soldiers, and magi. Which required waiting so they could get there then reinforce. Maximum casualties. With Garrosh celebrating it as the victory he wanted.

[Zaltaan-bloodhoof (Zaltaan)]

Thumbing back through, the only intent seemed to be to kill as many as possible at once. As per the quote, it drew in numerous generals, elite soldiers, and magi. Which required waiting so they could get there then reinforce. Maximum casualties. With Garrosh celebrating it as the victory he wanted.

I mean Garrosh is essentially Ted Bundy as an orc though, without the denying the murders. I think he was just excited to see the explosion and know lotsa people died.

I don’t remember him being totally happy at the end of the book. He knew the alliance wasn’t broken and disheartened, like he intended them to be.

[Irenaus-wyrmrest-accord (Irenaus)]

I know the scene you mean. He gets bummed for roughly thirty seconds when he hears Northwatch was retaken and the Alliance are headed to break the blockade. Then doubles down manically with fresh wind saying he wants to escalate further from controlling Kalimdor to wiping out the Alliance.

[Zaltaan-bloodhoof (Zaltaan)]

I know the scene you mean. He gets bummed for roughly thirty seconds when he hears Northwatch was retaken and the Alliance are headed to break the blockade. Then doubles down manically with fresh wind saying he wants to escalate further from controlling Kalimdor to wiping out the Alliance.

Which, as we know, stops abruptly when we find out that we need to fight almost entirely on a new continent because the devs said so

[Drahliana-earthen-ring (Drahliana)]

Let’s do a comparison. The Alliance launches an attack on Dazar’alor with the goal of crippling the Horde navy and forcing the Zandalari out of the war. The Horde launches an attack on Teldrassil with the goal of “killing hope”. The Alliance goes out their way to avoid civilian casualties, keeps collateral damage to a minimum, and gives the Zandalari a chance to surrender peacefully. The Horde burns a city full of civilians to the ground out of pure spite. Shall I go on?

Here’s the problem I have… the restraint shown is out of character for the Alliance given it’s history…and the targets affected. We’re talking orcs, trolls, and undead here. It kind of smacks of an extreme effort to put White Hads on the Alliance after pinning genocide on the Horde.

[Arlifrex-moon-guard (Arlifrex)]

If Genn doesn’t have to listen to the High King then the title is worthless.

Congratulations! You summed up why Alliance players have been complaining about this since its inception.

[Drahliana-earthen-ring (Drahliana)]

-Lie to Anduin on what actually happened.

Where is th is particular item?

[Cantaloupe-wyrmrest-accord (Cantaloupe)]

Thread Necromancer!

[Pheandra-emerald-dream]

Stop necroing!

[Tilgath-garona (Tilgath)]

I’m honestly curious, how do you find a thread that is 8 months old?

[Willfred-nesingwary (Willfred)]

If you think about it, Genn is the reason the war continued after the defeat of the legion. the guy just attacks the forsaken because they needed to retreat and started a 3 way conflict on the broken isles. Yes, the Attack on Gilneas did get his son killed and his home destroyed, but he disobeyed his king by breaking the stand still with the horde and focus fighting the Legion, without any knowledge of the Hordes side of the story.

Oh honey no. You have this wrong. He saw Sylvanas sound the horn. He knew that Sylvanas is a duplicitous self serving banshee queen. He knew that anything she did would not be for the benefit of the war against the Legion, but for herself. Even if there were short term gains for the war effort against the Legion any items of power Sylvanas was pursuing would inevitably be used against the Alliance. She’s a bad faith actor on the world stage and he knew that.

So again baby… The old Wolf was right. Sylvanas was evil and darling she’s not a friend to you… Or did you miss her whole story arc since Warcraft 3?

[Grandblade-wyrmrest-accord (Grandblade)]

Man, this thread aged real poorly.

unprovoked attack… in her territory.

This bit is still funny to me. Like Sylvanas attacked Gilneas unprovoked, yet Genn is the jerk for trying to defend because you think Gilneas is Lordaeronian territory.

[Withpuppys-nazgrel (Withpuppys)]

This bit is still funny to me. Like Sylvanas attacked Gilneas unprovoked, yet Genn is the jerk for trying to defend because you think Gilneas is Lordaeronian territory.

dont you know, sylvanas owned lordaeron which means she owns all of the eastern kingdoms, that troll even said it so it must be true

[Skippid-tichondrius]

, yet Genn is the jerk for trying to defend because you think Gilneas is Lordaeronian territory

I never said gilneas was lordaeronian territory. I said sylvanas had a right to the eastern kingdoms. Be it through Right of conquest, right of occupation, take your pick. Do not put words in my mouth. I

dont you know, sylvanas owned lordaeron which means she owns all of the eastern kingdoms, that troll even said it so it must be true

[Grandblade-wyrmrest-accord (Grandblade)]

I said sylvanas had a right to the eastern kingdoms

Okay. Still wrong, but okay. Right of conquest means literally nothing in terms of the argument - by your logic, Arthas, Sargeras, and Azshara all owned huge swaths of Azeroth outside their domains.

In the context of Sylvanas attacking Gilneas, it’s still an unprovoked attack on a nation that doesn’t belong to her nor has made any aggression towards her. Right of conquest doesn’t even apply to the argument in question.

In fact, it doesn’t even apply to any argument. “A person ha a right to something if they can conquer it” is stupid, that’s not how rights work.

Also I don’t know if you’re quoting Puppies to say that because she owned Lordaeron, she owned all of the Eastern Kingdoms… but you know Puppies quoted that to mock you, right? Even if her claim to Lordaeron’s throne was legitimate, that doesn’t mean she owns all the continent. The other Seven Kingdoms, Khaz Modan, Quel’thelas… all independent nations who were at one time ALLIED with Lordaeron, not owned by it.

Terenas didn’t own them because of his throne, and neither does Sylvanas. That includes Gilneas.

[Withpuppys-nazgrel (Withpuppys)]

I never said gilneas was lordaeronian territory. I said sylvanas had a right to the eastern kingdoms. Be it through Right of conquest, right of occupation

except it isnt, stormwind is part of the eastern kingdoms and doesn’t belong to her, ironforge is part of the eastern kingdoms and doesn’t belong to her, hell not even lordaeron belongs to her anymore because she lost it when she blighted the hell out of the capital.

[Lugenpresse-caelestrasz (Lugenpresse)]

“King Rastakhan of Zandalar, I order you to submit! You will bow before your new master, King Anduin Wrynn, and you will deliver your daughter to us as a hostage!”

Fake news, the npc was lying to you.

This is what Genn actually says:

King Rastakhan of Zandalar… On behalf of the Alliance, and in the name of King Anduin Wrynn, I hereby request your surrender.

[Tamanii-wyrmrest-accord (Tamanii)]

“King Rastakhan of Zandalar, I order you to submit! You will bow before your new master, King Anduin Wrynn, and you will deliver your daughter to us as a hostage!”

Fake news, the npc was lying to you.

This is what Genn actually says:

King Rastakhan of Zandalar… On behalf of the Alliance, and in the name of King Anduin Wrynn, I hereby request your surrender.

I honestly love this Rashamon/Unreliable Narrator stuff, and I wish we had more of it in WoW.

[Withpuppys-nazgrel (Withpuppys)]

why would you say that, just by saying that blizzard just got 25.3 ideas for unreliable narrators

[Tamanii-wyrmrest-accord (Tamanii)]

Good! Like I said, I want more of that!

EDIT: While I’m on a roll. Kezan expansion. Make it happen.