Gearing is terrible and unrewarding because of casuals

Instead of the faction barrier, make it an RNG barrier. Let horde and alliance group together but RNG and non-RNG can’t.

This is a preemptive bye then I guess. Because we know what’s coming in 8.2 and it is more of the same with forging, M+, weekly quests, Emissaries, world bosses, warfronts, and the addition of Benthic gear. Not that I believe your claim though, you play the forums more than you play the game by my estimation. Hell I do it too since I have the luxury of working from home. I don’t see that changing regardless of what 8.2 brings.

How many Mythic raid guilds didn’t use ML when it was available? How many people don’t use flight when it’s available even though they would prefer not to? It’s the illusion of choice because one of those choices is bad in relation to the other. Sorta like every talent row where there’s an obviously/objectively better choice. Not like it matters. Your suggestion won’t ever happen, there’s no reason to waste any more time with it.

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That’s band-aiding, you’re creating/opening another issue out of an issue.

Not to mention when theorycrafter found out which server is better for progression, everyone would go there anyway.

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Not so sure yet. We haven’t seen the legendary effects from the essences yet in the ptr. If they are really cool and made so you have to get them before BFA ends like the mage tower, it might be worth sticking around to clear Mythic and get some PvP rating.

This is already happening. If you want to do any high level activity on NA servers outside of Australia, you need to be horde.

You do realize that the legendary effect is just cosmetic right? And that the Heart is just like artifact weapons, it won’t be sticking around post BfA which means essences won’t either. But sure, that’s exactly the backpedaling I expected even though 8.2 isn’t any different than we have now for loot. So much for your ultimatum about leaving, eh?

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Yeah cosmetic rewards are great. Like I said, I did gold challenge modes on every toon I had for the cosmetic rewards lol.

Also you can still tmog artifact appearances from legion. I am sure they will do that with the essence system as well. Like the Pally one that procs wings, if you get the legendary essence for that one I am hoping it carries forward as a glyph. But I hope that they become unavailable when BFA ends.

If they make us grind for these legendary essences to only use them for 1.5 patches that would be the dumbest thing I could think of.

That was a very weak attempt in insulting me i don’t take this game seriously like you do but it doesn’t mean i don’t do hard work for other games your reaching here. WoW will always be my chill game while the other i do the so called “hard work” you speak of. Videogames and real life work don’t go with each other it’s playing games not work wth? This just proves you have never played Other MMorpgs then they reward on time or skill in those. Its all about the money $$$$. Atleast for me the point of playing games is you get away from work if possible not have them together all the time thats silly.

Sure we can transmog artifact weapons, because transmog is a system built on modifying the appearances of gear including weapons. Essences will give different cosmetic effects to abilities we get from the essence itself that are not part of the traditional class/spec kit of abilities. There’s no reason to believe we’ll keep those extra abilities moving forward, particularly because they all center around activating the heart and/or drawing power from the heart to do something. Additionally, there’s no reason to believe they’ll be exclusive as they haven’t said as such. Even with mage tower they were upfront about how they were going to be time limited content. They’ve made no such announcement about the legendary quality Essence. So based upon what we know about Essence, both of your assumptions/hopes aren’t predicated on how any existing feature of the game works.

So, uh…

You have been warned hehe.

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Well said and well played sir :smile:

Translation…my ilvl gear isn’t higher enough than theirs so i am crying about it. I don’t raid for the satisfaction of doing current leading edge content to the best of my ability with friends and getting the joy of beating bosses and then getting some loot, i do it so i can pretend i am better than others even though what they have doesn’t matter at all to my gameplay experience.

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Peoples more then one.

Sounds like alot of fun stuff to do for me woot woot!

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It is extremely rare but it can.
My mage has a pair of RARE cloth gloves with an ilvl of 400 which he got from a warfront victory.
It CAN happen, the highest I’ve gotten was 395 like you, but they can roll up to a max of 425.
Which is mainly because the new ilvl cap for the new raid is something like 445 I think.

Translation: I don’t want to put in the time and/or I can’t handle harder content but I think I deserve high level gear because I pay $15/month. I don’t have time for a “second job” in a video game so I should just be able to log in, kill a few world quest mobs, maybe do a warfront, and have mythic level gear dropped into my bags. I am entitled to good gear!

It sucks when people put words into your mouth instead of having an actual discussion on the forums, amirite?

By the way, I don’t believe that you actually believe that, I was just trying to prove a point.

Man he triggered you big time didn’t he.

Hmm? I was proving a point. I’d say he was the one “triggered” lol, his post was serious while mine was meant to be ironic.

Plus, lord I despise the word “triggered”. My 12 year old niece uses that word, and I imagine anyone using it seriously screeching it in her voice. Also yeet. God, I think I’m getting old.

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I’m the filthiest of casuals and I don’t think I should get “free loot for doing trivial content” but what I do need is rewarding loot for content I don’t have to beg for the privilege to do. Deterministic is fine, but not walled behind the "community ", because as a whole the community is toxic, elitist and exclusionary. The lower the level that “casual loot” is capped at the sooner we drop our subs until the next patch, because why play when there are no apparent rewards?? (which is the main complaint in this thread) And that’s not just my opinion, it’s obviously Blizzards as well or the systems wouldn’t currently be set they way they are.

What I don’t understand is that Blizzard appeals to casual player by showering everyone in fat loot. The gearing process is no longer fulfilling and feels hollow. In Classic, for example, people got excited about greens. If the gearing system was more simple and gear was very hard to come by, I feel more people would be happy, including more casual players.

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Why is it mythic or bust?

Most guild raiding is heroic because going more than 1-3 bosses deep into mythic is insanely hard and most servers never have a single guild getting CE.

And AFK content does gear you up equal to the heroic raid level of the current raid which is insane.

And titanforging makes it so farming heroic or mythic+ spam for titanforges is insanely more time efficient than mythic progression.

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