If you want to pretend that throughout vanilla blizzard did not crack down on such things, you can pound salt.
The burden of proof is on you to show that people are selling and buying gold.
Also, its not the point of this thread to prove or disprove ppl are buying / selling gold. Its to show that GDKP is a perfectly fine form of doing gear in a raid.
crack down on what?
tos violations? cause i know they banned bots and rmts.
did it stop the bots? no. i remember them dropping corpses in org to spell out gold selling websites like susan when chat bans happened.
did it stop hackers from stealing accounts? nope, i remember my own run in with a hacker stealing my account and the dang month it took to get my account reset properly by blizzard.
do i remember guildies moaning about âexploitsâ being patched out by the devs and them having to move on to âless thanâ profitable means to earn gold for raid consumes and what not? yes. was it as often as you all seem to remember? no.
is gdkp and boosting cancerous? depends on your own goals within the game.
do they promote rmt and gold buying? no more than anything else this game has to offer does.
should mage aoeing and pathing âExploitsâ be nerfed or changed in any way? honestly i dont know. to be honest i do think they are cancer so i dont personally do them but that being said where do we draw a line? when do we say that this is ok and that is not ok? it was in vanilla because i knew guildies who farmed gold to funnel into the guild for consumes and other things that the guild needed.
ultimately though gdkp and boosting would still exist if you could ban all bots and illicit gold from every server.
gdkp would still be the most effective gold making for most people only interested in raiding and not mindlessly grinding mobs or gather nodes per day for currency.
boosting is still going to be the most effective way to earn xp and gold per hour due to a multitude of factors. unless you change a core element of the mageâs and paladinâs tool kits. at which point you are advocating for class balance patches which where never in vanilla wow which is a major change.
thats what iâm trying to get across that you all seem to be missing.
bro im the one trying to tell them that THEY need to prove that others are buying gold.
im not against gdkp because i dont care about gkdp.
im naxx geared and i only use gold i gained from GDKP to buy items. Never bought gold and never will.
Why do people assume that you have to buy gold to do GDKP runs? you get 1500-2000g per naxx gdkp, in 2-3 runs you can buy 1 big item or a few small items.
Yes there are a few people that will buy gold for gdkp (pretty obvious), but from my experience, its only like 1-2 people per raid.
Again, you DONT have to buy gold to run GDKP. If people pay 100k for an item, you get a share of that to bid on later items, its the most fair system in my experience so far. No drama, no loot council corruptions.
They implemented it in TBC because thatâs when mages figured out they could AOE farm lower level dungeons and boost players for massive amounts of gold.
They never really nerfed most AoE farms (outside of like, DM lashers and a few others maybe?) because players en masse didnât discover it during vanilla. As for boosting low levels, that is purely from post-vanilla - Iâve never seen anyone selling these things prior nor heard of it.
Did you even read what you quoted?
People were doing Mara boosts and ZF gold farms in early TBC. Itâs why they nerfed AOE. Because it made the epic mount price tag trivial, among other things.
Oh, thatâs what you meant. Nevermind. I thought you meant Blizzard realized it was a problem during vanilla.
which again is tbc not vanilla time line.
youâre advocating for major changes to this supposed museum piece that many want.
I donât see what youâre interpreting as being advocacy in anything Iâve written. What I said is that the no changes crowd doesnât want to relive the Vanilla experience, they want a sandbox they can abuse. Creating a museum piece is in no way faithful to the original experience, so you canât claim that what you really want is the âVanilla experience,â because none of the things people are doing in the game right now (boosting, massive AOE farms, GDKP, 15+ warrior raid comps, world buffs, etc.) were actually done back in Vanilla.
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what i want not a single person could begin to understand XD
that joke aside, lets get down to brass tacks:
firstly, this has in no way been me attacking you all. iâm just trying to debate and gain context while giving my personal opinions, so please forgive me if it has come off as me being rude. i like to joke around and sometimes i do come off as rude. i just wanted to put this out there cause as ive been reading i think i might have offended which was not my intent.
second: knowledge. alot of the current issues with the current state of classic comes down to knowledge many players did not simply have back in 04. how do you go about breaking this knowledge? knowledge is true power because it is the one thing that can never be taken from you by others.
third: what changes are okay? what changes are not okay? not trying to be cute here this is where you will generally find alot of push back from the community as a whole. do we nerf a whole class because of boosting? do we do like final fantasy xi did with people who used gardening to make millions of gil back in want to say 05 or 06âŚbasically people abused an in game system to passively generate items to vendor for currency and eventually the devs said no and started banning people even legit players because of an in game feature. how do we handle this in a way that is âhealthyâ for others but still punitive to keep the bad folk away?
fourth: what about gold generation by the community its self? legit players are generating more gold than back in the vanilla days mate? again we know what and where and how to farm, how do we counter this?
ect ect ectâŚ
when do we stop with changing the game? at what point do we just say we need a new game?
im not trying to advocate that no changes should be the mind set, i just want yall to think about what YOU are advocating by suggesting we change the game.
banning bots, gold traders and rmt goes without saying since its been against tos and eula since day one.
but outside of agreeing that we need to do something about these things i dont know what to suggest to fix the current state of classic without making sweeping changes that where not in vanillaâŚmaybe pre tbc patch changes?
/shrug
imagine accusing the op of buying gold, which is something that would result in the permanent closure of their account.
and then being op, defend yourself from that accusation
and then get auto silenced by mass report, while these insane lunatics are taunting you
its like stumbling into a goblin cave. âYEH HEHE HEHEHE HEE EL GOBLINAâ with a whole bunch of short ugly pointy eared goblins with sharp sticks chanting in circles around you ready to sacrifice you to their goblin god. buncha aggressively crazy lunatic insane people with a silence agenda to push. like âquiet! dont tell them the truth! otherwise we wont be able to spread our lies!â complete disgrace to call them humans.
I would say that in 15 years, players have discovered every way possible to circumvent those 2006 guard rails and go charging beyond their boundaries into unforeseen and unintended territory, and thereâs no one around to refortify the guard rails or put new ones in place, except on the few rare occasions when current Blizzard has actually felt the need to divert a few people away from retail to step in and address something.
I was assuming that there was a driverâs license or credit card or some other form of ID in the wallet.
Correct. I never said that my opinion (or othersâ) on these issues matters in the grand scheme of things, because I donât expect Blizzard to do anything about them, especially at this late juncture in Classicâs life cycle.
Even with multiboxing software, yeah, Blizzard banned it. But they didnât even do it for the reasons most wanted it banned. The did it supposedly to combat botting, if you take their word at face value, not to stop what many consider to be blatant cheating.
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Iâm not having this changes/no changes discussion again. Weâve been talking about this on these forums since Classic was announced and no oneâs ever changed their mind. Itâs completely pointless.
no changes is meant to preserve the game. people want changes. thats fine. nobody is saying you cant want changes for wow classic. just realize you wont get them. no changes doesnt mean âmerr! were mad at people that want to change the game merrr!â no dude its âyou people changed the game back in the day and we dont want that happening againâ
And I think most people agree that blizzard should be doing a lot more combat bots, terrain exploits etc⌠than they are doing.
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What solutions does anyone have to prevent GDKP? I mean, how would you even stop them?
The better question is why would you? Using gold to buy raid loot is perfectly acceptable and always has been.
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so how does banning gdkp and boosting solve the problem?
the problem is player generated gold and bot generated gold entering the game faster than can be removed.
gdkp and boosting are only trading already generated gold to other players.
you solve the inflation issue by stopping the generation of excess gold.
so what generates excess gold?
bots, mage aoeing, paladin aoeing, raiding, rogues pickpocketing, locks doing dm and mara runs, hunters doing dmt runs if they are vending the tribute chest instead of deâing the items for enchanting mats, fishing up wreckages for lootboxes and lockboxes, any caster grinding saytrs for runes for raid, juju farming in winterspring or firewater farming in winterspring, rep farming in sil from them twilight cultists, grinding leather unless you destroy all the greys from the mobs, farming humans mobs for cloth, farming undead for cloth, doing dungeons like strath or scholo, ect ect ect
this are all the things i can think of off the top of my head that will generate raw gold that a player or bot can do. many of these are very popular among legit players and some moreso bots.
are you seeing the problem here?
you would need to change the interaction with these and many more systems in order to delay inflation in classic.
inflation is going to happen from just playing the game regularly because outside of mount at 40 and mount at 60 there are no major systems in game to delete major amounts of raw gold but there are more systems in game to generate raw gold.