GDKP Is Perfectly Fine

GDKP runs is just another way to run a raid. Instead of imaginary dragon kill points, its gold. Some guilds have been running as GDKP since forming as guilds way back in P1.

Also its nice to come to these runs and have a chance at getting high end items, provided I have enough gold.

As for the idiot nay-sayers, most of the GDKP runs that are out there expect performance cut offs in order to get paid. So its not like everyone is getting carried. It requires performance, and thats what makes the raids good, and not multi-hour wipe fests.

1000-1500g from a casual BWL GDKP or AQ40 GDKP each week is not bad, and it helps finance consumables and other stuff you need in game.

Stop whining about GDKP.

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So what you’re saying is you buy gold?

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sour puss is sour. nothing to see here. next.

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Used to be you could easily spot a gold buyer. A quick inspection would show a guy decked out in crappy BoE epics from AH. Yep, loser. But GDKP has allowed that guy to take his illicit pay-to-win scheme to a whole 'nother level. Now he’s decked out in full T2 or better.

With GDKP, real raiders can sell their gameplay services on off nights to the gold buyers so they don’t have to spend time farming their own consumables.

The bots do most of the farming work. The gold buyer buys gold from the bots and then pays real raiders for raid gear, who then use that gold to buy their consumables (also from bots) or to pay mages to boost their alts.

Vanilla WoW, 2021 edition.

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I’ll gladly buy gold if it’s allowed
Yes please
Take my money

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i like how you casually reveal that you participate in raids where 40,000-60,000 gold is spent, each raid… which can only be afforded buy p2w gold buyers.

Change your title to “Buying gold is perfectly fine” and you’ll get closer to the heart of it.

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The reality is the vast majority of players participating in GDKP’s are doing so completely legitimately. And there is absolutely nothing in the ToS against them.

This is entirely a case of a handful of self righteous players getting upset about how someone else is playing the game.

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The reality is the vast majority of players buying highly desired items in GDKP’s are doing so completely illegitimately. And there are entire pages of rules in the ToS against buying gold.

Your entire raid structure is being used for transforming the game into one that is pay 2 win, with a bit of gold laundering on the side

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Yes against buying gold, not against running GDKP’s.

Weird how those are two different things.

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Tell that to The Silk Road

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It’s like saying laundering money is fine because the criminal activity precedes it.

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Gdkps are the single best way for gold buyers to spend their gold, and the single biggest reason bots are as bad as they are in Classic. That being said as someone that’s tired of farming an entire week to afford raid consumes for 2 toons it’s nice to relax and get paid an easy 1,000+ gold for a hour or two in BWL or AQ. I wouldn’t be sad if blizzard banned gdkps because they’re really not healthy for the game due to the massive botting and gold selling in classic. But honestly having to farm 1000g a week to raid Naxx isn’t healthy for the game either.

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Actually it’s like saying that GDKP’s and gold buying are two separate things, one of which is against the TOS and one of which isn’t.

Not sure why you find it confusing that GDKP’s exist without gold guying and inversely gold buying is done regardless of whether it’s used for GDKP’s. Almost like they’re wait for it, two different things.

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You’ve been slapping that strawman hard. Give it a rest.

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Ok first of all, NEWS FLASH, buying gold isn’t against the ToS, esp if you buy it from a friend or something. Botting IS against ToS.

GDKPs are a perfectly legitimate way to run guilds in classic WoW, and TBC Classic. You shouldn’t penalize people for raiding the way they like to raid just because you don’t have the gold to participate. Thats just dumb. Fix the root of the issue (the botting) and wala, problem solved.

Except everything I said was true. People will run GDKP’s without buying gold and plenty of them are run legitimately. People will also buy gold regardless of GDKP runs.

The people complaining about it have seen one or two extreme examples and think that’s the normal rather than the exception.

It used to be against the ToS, but I believe Morhaim came out and said that they’d rather not ban gold buyers, but rather educate them on why it’s wrong. Basically, they’ve taken the DMCA approach and go after the providers rather than the Johns.

Blizzard has made their CoC and EULA so vague now that it’s basically down to what GM investigates the matter.

That being said, clearly people are aware of how gold buying ruins the economy, but they don’t care because they get theirs, others be damned. It’s sad, but that’s the state of the world we live in.

Yeah, and? It’s still a straw man, lol.

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That’s not what a straw man is :slight_smile:

I’m pointing out that removing GDKP’s does not remove gold buying. Nor does removing gold buying get rid of GDKP’s. Which makes the argument that gold buying and GDKP’s are intrinsically linked an inherently stupid argument that mostly just comes down to people whining about how others play the game.

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just admit you buy gold and get it over with

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