Imagine having a viewpoint so out of touch with reality that you have to say literally seeing something with your own eyes doesn’t make it fact. That’s when most intelligent people would reevaluate their argument.
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eyewitness news is never factual. people are prone to lie.
Everyone in GDKP’s are fully aware that people buy gold, but no one cares. They spam their disclaimer for Blizzard, then joke on discord about how if you buy gold, keep your mouth shut.
Basically, as long as you don’t tell anyone you buy gold, no one is going to ask you, because no one cares. Everyone is happy to take your money. Especially the raid leaders and carries who are only there to make gold.
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How about no.
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id say its more like 1 or 2 players out of every 1,000 that actually buys gold, if any at all.
You would be surprised by how many people buy gold, but it isn’t like the people who buy gold run around telling everyone about it.
With that said, I think GDKP’s both increase gold sales, and reduce gold sales. Regular players are less likely to buy gold because GDKP’s offer them a pretty easy way to get gold for consumables. But the people buying the big-ticket items, especially those paying like 20k+, are almost always gold buyers.
There is someone who comes to my GDKP’s that everyone knows is buying gold, he spent like 100k in a week, but not only does one care, people practically beg him to join their gdkps.
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I earned my gear with ‘imaginary’ points.
This whine you speak of is not directed at the very small group of players that conduct gdkp runs totally legit (the hosting guild and players coming for loot at fair prices). It is at the majority of them which are hosted by toxic players selling gear to toxic players, at toxic prices with gold bought from susan express.
For my part I feel like if you buy your gear regardless of how you got the gold its likely less rewarding then staying with a raid team for months and months and earning your gear. I would def feel less accomplished for buying a nelfs tear for example as opposed to earning it, run after run, helping my raid team succeed.
To each their own I guess. But don’t pretend that this is a non issue and arguably against the spirit of an mmorpg at least somewhat.
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i would, if anyone would show me anything substantial. so far its just been “bro trust me”
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Its cute that a few of you think the majority of GDKPs have these outrageous pots and bids because of how many gold buyers are in them.
Joyson is a troll. He cannot be reasoned with.
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Seems like there is a troll in this thread, but it certainly isn’t Joyson. 
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How many people illegally use drugs? How many people hire prostitutes? How many people admit to hiring a prostitute?
You’re asking for something that cannot be known. Not even Blizzard knows because they only have records of the people they catch.
What can we know? We know that there are a lot of bots, botting a lot of gold, and someone is buying that gold.
Imagine the average server, the number of bots running at any given time, how much gold they are making per hour, and how many hours they are running per day. That is probably ten-thousand gold per day per server, and on the big servers a lot more than that.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t moving at least 100k gold per day on a big server like Whitemane.
On the pservers they often made gdkp’s against the rules specifically because they said it contributes to RMT. Which makes sense because gdkp’s are essentially pay-to-win. Imagine if Blizzard was literally operating a store where you could just buy gear. How many people would use it vs how many people would openly admit to using it?
That’s now how pay to win works.
Why does everyone use this phrase wrong?
Pay to win is buying a power advantage over someone where that other player can’t get an item of equal power thru playing the game.
Like of a normal player gets a Kingsfall Dagger off of KT, then another player is able to buy a dagger off the blizzard store that has 10 more min damage and 22 more top end damage.
That player who got Kingsfall can’t ever catch up to the other players bought power thru playing the game. This is what pay to win is.
Saving time is not pay to win, it offers no power advantage over someone else.
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Everyone uses the phrase “wrong” because everyone feels like buying BiS gear with real money is akin to paying-to-win. In some cases people can pay gold to acquire items they couldn’t have gotten otherwise.
And once again, that item is available without buying it.
That player got no power advantage over anyone else because he’s using in game gold to buy an item people get for free.
An example of pay to win is if Johnny the rogue breaks out his debit card at the in game store and buys him the “Stat Special” that permanently boosts all his stats by 20.
See, that’s a power advantage you can’t get thru normal play.
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I appreciate your definition of “pay-to-win”, and maybe yours is the correct one. Though as you said “everyone” is using it wrong, because “everyone”(except you) believes that buying gear with gold is paying to win. But I’m not going to argue semantics with you all day like a bunch of autists.
Point is, there is a lot of gold being bought from gold-farmers, and a lot of that gold is being bought by people going to GDKP’s, and those people aren’t telling anyone.
There was GDKP in vanilla WoW and to an extent also in retail. People need to realize there’s people in this game that farm to make gold or people buy gold or sell wow tokens depending on which version you’re playing on.
Not gonna argue but let me say 1 last thing.
The only thing that gold does when you buy it is increase the value of items because the average player has more gold because of it.
So say with all the gold currently on servers a person goes into a gdkp and Rejuve Gem drops and it sells for 8k, which is what it went for in my last BWL gdkp.
Now you take the gold sellers out of the equation along with all the extra gold and that same Rejuve gem might sell for 1500 gold. Simply because the amount of gold on a server is now cut down because no more gold sellers.
Gdkps would still happen but the value of items would more accurately represent the amount of gold the average person has.
Hopefully that makes sense.
thats not true
Uh this isn’t true at all otherwise you would have to say that games like fifa and madden aren’t pay to win when they obviously are.
If I play an fps and it takes 50 hours to get the same stuff as somebody else that they were able to just pay for in day one that isn’t pay to win? That’s 50 hours of getting stomped because the opponent just bought gear to be better than me immediately.
That’s why battlefront 2 got in so much trouble because star cards were literally this they were pay to win.