Again, the statement regarding DME was a singular response, not a complete answer of his gold acquisitions. A guy doing Naxx GDKP that gets to KT isn’t getting 100% of his gold from a singular source, and he isn’t necessarily lying either if he notes where he got the majority of his gold (according to him) that isn’t actually 80%+ of his totals.
There’s a lot of space between “Did DME only starting from zero gold” and “Definitely bought gold” and the video glosses it entirely. WillE himself gave a pass to people dropping over 80k gold for Scarab Lord stuff and didn’t even spend more than a bit of time on it other than to build his “I wouldn’t spend gold like that on an item” which isn’t indicative of anything.
Yeah but that wasnt even all of his gold. Guy spent another 30-35k on that run and he’s probably not bankrupting himself either. So if you wanna play the assumption game you could say the guy had 250k at least if not more.
How much of that is from DME if the guy states his primary source of income is DME runs? Its anyones guess and your guess is just as good as Willie’s.
Again tho, its focusing on stuff small potatoes and missing the larger picture.
And there is tons of Chinese farm bots running around everywhere to feed the addiction of 27 year old stay at home with mommy WoW players gold buying fetish so they keep buying epics.
GDKPs are a way for people to launder gold they bought online. All there’s to it. No one is buying the “I just farmed dire maul for 50 days to then drop 45k gold on a DFT”
Simple fact is GKDP is ONLY for people that buy gold. Chinese people are happy to work for pennies an hour… We aren’t. So some guy just drops $1000 on some China Gold and buys his entire kit through GDKP. He’s going to simply outbid the hell out of anyone with the smallest amount of life who has to farm it himself as he’s competing against a Chinese guy running 10 farm bots.
The guy was over the gold cap in coin spent over that for the run so he had to borrow it from somebody lest someone else in the raid was holding extra coin from him which wouldnt make much sense.
We dont know if a large portion of his gold was borrowed from friends or guildmates to be paid back at a later date. We dont know if the guy has an alt mage and sells boosts for 75% of his waking hours. We dont know if he bought it.
Out of those three choices though if you had to guess based on everything you know about classic, how the players operate and what lengths theyre willing to go to you’d be hard pressed to say buying it was the least likely out of them. You might be wrong but you wouldnt be an idiot.
I actually thought gold buying was more of a pvp thing than pve. But to answer your question its not really blaming it all on GDKP runs but its phase 6, the raids are relatively easy and naxx wasnt the guild crusher it was 15 years ago. The best gear is from pve and most servers reported a rise in GDKP runs in recent weeks. It seems like the most logical place for it to go at this point in classic.
To Fasciae’s credit, upon reflecting on it a little more, 198k doesnt sound as absurd as it did originally but I still fall short of saying gold buying wasnt a factor in it. Given the inflation is already in effect and all the ways there is for a non gold buyer to produce large sums of gold through solo means I have to concede that its reasonably possible.
Then there’s situations none of us think about or run into like when someone is quitting classic and gives their gold away to friends. One of my horde guildies got 80k from his son who left for Shadowlands with no intention of returning. There’s lots of available gold and you dont necessarily have to buy it.
i mean once youve reached 60 and arent pvping actively or needing to do a raid or attunement, what else is there really to do but farm gold and resources.
Classic has been out for like 16 months. If you went with a very conservative estimate of 100g a day not counting for days off or expenses youre looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of half a million gold. So yeah, its not really that crazy to think about.
Speaking for myself here, I think I did the same thing as willie and asked myself, if I legit farmed all that gold myself would I spend a large amount of my fortune on one item? First reaction was like no way but then I remembered all the times I said screw it, its monopoly money who cares and spent it - keeping in mind we’re talking about the best sword in the game.
Long story short its not crazy to suggest he bought gold or to say he farmed it because there’s enough evidence to support each.
Then it isn’t OBVIOUS as you stated. GDKPs are no more a clearing house for gold buyers than the AH or Trade Chat are, they are simply a place like any other where some gold buyers show up.
However, given the assurances so many have about throwing around 5-digits worth of gold on gear being definitely gold buying, I question where OBVIOUS even accurately applies in situations you’ve seen. At the rate I’m casually acquiring gold via GDKPs, there wouldn’t be anything stopping me from rolling into TBC with 50-70k gold. If I dropped 10-20k along the way for Kiss of the Spider I wouldn’t really be missing out on much, but I know some here would accuse me of definitely buying gold to drop so much on a single item.
I feel like a lot of you are making the assumption that the dude who bought Gressil has been specifically saving gold for just that and he hasn’t done any raiding or has never bid on an item in a GDKP before. The dude (Eggnoc) is in Salad Bakers and they buy a motherload of consumes every week so he has a major gold sink every week since this game has came out.
GDKP is a hive for RMTers who drop ridiculous money on gear, while they simultaneously talk badly about people not overpaying for gear that is only worth as much as you brought that day.
It’s fun to mooch off of other people’s money though. You play better than them in worse gear AND get paid for it. The system is designed to be leeched while maybe 20-35% of the raid actually buys something.
My only common ground I find with the hosts of them is that people who just afk in raid or show up in no gear at all, and not bid, shouldn’t get paid out.
