He’s a wow classic youtuber. He covered a rare event. A rare event that was publicly streamed and has gotten some attention. Its still early, we still got time for rare or somewhat unique or sounds kinda familiar events.
The guy spent a little over 230k in that run. When questioned, he said he runs a lot of DME. He bought a sword for 198k. Willie says lets say 119k gold came out of DME. Based on my own personal experience with DME let me try and see how much time it might take to earn that kind of gold. Turns out, its heaps of time. Im going to take his story with a grain of salt as my knowledge of this game demands.
Yeah thats a really sensationalized hit piece. I can go to bed tonight knowing that gold buying is a myth and willie is a rabble rouser.
At 3:38 he begins his incredulity full voice after stating:
“And the reason that was given to how this guy managed to amass such an incredible fortune was he does a lot of Dire Maul East hmm.”
At 4:00 he explains why he’s only using 118k from Arcane Crystals alone after deliberately lowballing the gold income from a DME run to ~40% of the run coming from Arcane Crystals.
His math is entirely screwed from the beginning because IMMEDIATELY AFTER GIVING A PASS TO PEOPLE PAYING 80K+ FOR SCARAB LORD he dismisses this entirely. He calls his own suspicions tin foil hat as he goes into the conspiracies of dumping tons of gold into GDKPs.
His entire “analysis” is predicated on his incredulity, which is unsupported, and a hyper literal analysis of a single statement.
Literally no one in this game has gold income from a singular source, and people aren’t lying either when they say where the majority of their money comes from. The dude was asked on a stream, not a formal interrogation, so why on Earth would anyone analyze it as if it was a complete and total answer?
Dont think anyone has actually done that but Im not looking to get into an argument about it.
Maybe there wouldnt be so many idiots to contend with if gold buying wasnt the worst kept secret in all of classic wow and 198k is spent on a single item 5 weeks into phase 6 when expenses are supposedly at their peak.
This guy your IRL buddy or something? You seem to be going to great lengths to defend a guy who very likely bought some of that gold. The huge stretch is that he didn’t buy some of it. I have some ocean front property in Wyoming to sell you too.
And your response back is “gold amount huge…I have faith that he got that through legitimate means” which is moronic. You gonna talk about pink unicorns eating lemon flavored pop tarts on the moon next?
Oh absolutely. I am not defending that video. I don’t have any issues with GDKP at all. I mainly just find it curious that Fasciae has been not only adamant that GDKPs are fine (which most people will agree with), but that the guy got that gold legitimately. Sure he might have. But in this case, the person more likely to be wrong is the person believing he did.
If you can only deny someone’s legitimacy because you’re personally incredulous, you don’t actually have an argument. Worse still if you try to prop it up with bad math and worse assumptions to give it a thin veneer of authenticity.
Hitting gold cap is not beyond the reach of players who want to achieve it without buying gold. Such players are few and far between, a rarity, much like the purchase price for the sword in question. If you want to actually point out gold buying is a significant problem, fine… but one price at one GDKP that hasn’t been duplicated doesn’t show anything, notably when the gold in question has multiple legitimate sources.
I mean are we really going to ignore that the run was a GDKP but act like this particular character had never step foot into one ever? Never touched the AH? Never done boosting? Never sold any hot ticket items? Nothing? It strains reasonableness past the breaking point to take an off-hand remark of “lots and lots of DME” and construe that into the ENTIRETY OF HIS COMPLETE WEALTH.
Yall are gonna have to forgive Fasc. When he has trouble with facts and likely scenarios he retreats to his one trick pony move of discrediting the source as a means to discredit the info.
All Willies video attempted to show is potentially how long it could take one individual to grind out a 119k gold out of DME. It wasnt perfect but it didnt need to be to illustrate that solo grinding that amount of gold takes a lot of time and perhaps puts the buyers innocence into doubt. Thats it.
If you wanna say its entirely plausible to save a quarter million gold (without saying how much has been spent and where) no one can argue that but whether that’s the case with this dude is something else altogether. Some people are gonna say no and theyre not gonna be idiots if they draw that conclusion when gold buying is a known part of the classic experience.
I am not attempting to give you a good argument for “why I think he bought the gold.” Personally, I think he did. You don’t agree. That’s fine. Guessing you get scammed a lot in real life due to this belief that people are on the up and up. Fun attitude to have.
You mean like having 2 players in the exact same GDKP run bidding on the same item driving the price up to 198k? Those rare individuals who can reach the gold cap legitimately who are few and far between? Get outta here with this trash.
I mean, this is what I am talking about. You are bending over backwards to defend some random guy who you don’t know who spent 198k in a bidding war against a SECOND player who also had somewhere in the neighborhood of 198k to spend on the same item. Why? Because you don’t like the fact that the assumption is that he bought a good portion of his gold? Because you think he needs a white knight to swoop in and rescue him from all the people who think his explanation is lacking?
It would be one thing if you were arguing that gold buying is rare, but you aren’t. You aren’t even attempting to make that argument. So what is it about this transfer that makes you think “nope, some of those other transfers might have included gold buying, but this guy is definitely clean.” I legitimately want to know. Accuracy of the video notwithstanding, I fail to understand what it is about this particular transaction that is bringing out the defense.
“You disagree so you must be gullible and stupid because I think you’re making a point you’re not.”
Well done Fayld.
Two people on an entire server certainly fits the definition of “few and far between”
Again, you’re simply incredulous because “gold amount big”
“Not a single person got all their gold from a single source”
OMG Y U DEFEND HIM SO MUCH YOU GULLIBLE IDIOT
Really Fayld? This is what you’re dying on? That the guy started at zero gold before his DME runs? That the guy didn’t get a single copper from anything else?
I never said this guy is definitely clean. Ever. Holy crap.
GDKP’s are absolutely fine and it’s nice that they’re an option for people who can’t put in the farm hours. People’s only real complaint are that they’re an outlet for the gold buyers. Your issue is the gold buyers, not the GDKP’s. People need to separate the two. Let’s pretend that blizzard actually made gold buying not a thing like they kind of say they do. GDKP’s would still be great. Prices would be less because the economy would have less gold but it would still be a a great way to get some coin in the bank if you’re not buying the pieces. Alas gold buying IS a thing and if they’re not blowing it in a GDKP, they’ll be blowing it on AH resells and jacking up prices where people can’t buy anything more than already. At least GDKP’s circulate the money a bit because at the end of the day, blizzard failed nipping bots and gold buyers big time and they’re not going anywhere. If you want to complain, then do it to them, not the people playing in the game they created.
Mmm…nah. It is “you saw a massive transaction and assumed it was on the up and up so you must be gullible.” Nice try at twisting it though.
Two people on the entire server in the exact same run bidding on the exact same item. Again, you are taking a large transaction and not scrutinizing it. There is a reason banks have to report 10,000 dollar transactions to the government. It is so they can be scrutinized. In your world, we just assume those are legit. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
Nah, I legit want to know why you are white knighting this particular player.
Ah yes, I forgot that high rolling people only go to separate Naxx runs, especially since there are like 50+ Naxx GDKPs that run weekly…
There is nothing to scrutinize it with other than the size, which is insufficient to say it is one thing or another. The very same video where WillE denied the authenticity of this bid he gave a pass on multiple people per server dropping over 80k gold towards Scarab Lord, noting the possibility of even failing to acquire it, and didn’t even blink an eye.
The sword is the single best one hander available and represents an end of gearing, but that’s just not good enough because reasons. Incredulity drives the conclusion when there’s just not enough info either way.
Refuting WillE’s terrible video isn’t white knighting anyone else… What are you on about?
Well when you’re ready to argue about what I actually said rather than what you have going on in your mind… lemme know.
Gold buying is a meta within the metas. $198k spent on best sword in the game cuz meta. That takes a bot like dedication to earn and the guy was far from broke. Im not skeptical at all…because willie didnt convince me.
Had to delete this because after watching again I do think Willie was saying all of the 198k came from DME, but only 60% came from the ACs, with everything else coming from DEs and herbs etc.
It’s still a reasonable assumption given the stated facts. And it’s funny that you keep bringing up incredulity while continuing to be incredulous yourself at the idea that the guy earned his gold from DME like he said.