Oh please, it was a frame of reference.
Guy claims legitmacy, good cause to doubt him. /shrug
honestly do i think the guy farmed dme for his gold legit? no.
BUT can i prove he didnt? no.
the math shows he COULD have earned the gold legit and it backs that up with it being possible.
it IS speculation to say nah he couldnt have farmed it just because I WOULDNT âwasteâ my hard earned gold and time in this way.
look i like willie myself but here i have to say he did make a speculation on the fact that he proved it was possible to make the gold used on the drop but said he believes it was not farmed legit because HE wouldnt spend his gold that way.
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As far as that particular instance goes, I agree with your take. Personally, I kinda think I would find it a lot easier to believe had he said he farmed his gold in DME + did a ton of GDKP runs on a variety of toons. Dunno. I donât think he earned that gold without purchasing some, but ultimately it really doesnât matter what I think and it definitely doesnât mean that some outlier makes the entirety of GDKP runs bad.
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Shouldnât be too hard for Blizzard to track where the gold came from, was he getting huge sums of money mailed or traded to him? Who sent it/traded it to him? Where did they get it? Heâs in enough spotlight atm with his purchase that heâs probably on Blizzardâs radar if they pay attention at all.
Only time will tell.
Letâs say you made 40k running DME and then turned that into 200k by flipping stuff on the AH. A known YouTuber asks you how you made your money; he will probably make a video based on what you told him. What is likely to happen if you tell him that you made most of your money by flipping stuff on the AH? Should you tell him the full truth?
- I would decline the interview.
- If I did take the interview, I would say exactly what I did. If that means flipping 200k on the AH, then so be it. I guarantee the amount of incredulity he has gotten for his current answer far exceeds the amount of blowback he would have gotten with the AH flipping commentary.
- And yeah, I think he gets savaged for saying he flipped in the AH too. But you gonna sit here and tell me he isnât getting absolutely ripped to shreds now?
Edit: And if DME is all he did to earn that gold, then cool. Do I think it is likely? No. The only person who knows is himâŠand Blizzard if they decide to perform an analysis on where his gold came from.
i dont think it was ever going to matter what he said to be honest.
people were and are going to have their opinion regardless just because they have one.
he could spell out every way possible to have earned gold or what not and people would be like âyou bought gold there is no way you earned it cause my feels.â
I totally agree. Which is why I would have said nothing. Guy was in the spotlight in a bad way just as soon as he won that item.
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Personally I donât associate with anyone that thinks these are ok.
All they are is a âlegitâ way for gold buyers to RMT epics. Ruins the game.
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Thatâs one issue, but itâs not what I was thinking of. What I mean is that if you tell them you made all the money through AH flipping, youâre going to get at least dozens and possibly hundreds of people to try AH flipping. Even though itâs already a âknownâ method of making money, the number of people who havenât done it but will try it if itâs spotlighted is probably not small. Unlike the stock market, item prices are semi-stable except around changes in content, etc. so itâs not in the flipperâs interest for there to be more flippers out there, even if the new ones are not very good at it.
I think in this case you are drastically overselling the amount of impact this guyâs word would have on people trying flipping. Everyone has tried to do AH flipping to some extent or another. Some people are way better at it than others.
It is the same thing as saying he got all his gold doing GDKP runs. I donât think we are going to see a massive influx of new people trying to get into GDKP runs. Sure there will be a few more interested, but the vast majority wonât alter their behavior in the slightest.
So yeah, I will just say that I disagree with you on this one. If it was some super sneaky unknown gold generating method then sure keep that to yourself. Thing is though, you can more easily prevent anyone from knowing your methods by turning down the interview.
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I support it since iâm able to farm Dire Maul Tributes. It gives me an edge over other folks that want hard to get items like BRE or TF bindings, i figure that i work hard i should be able to spend my gold to buy items.
I didnât say it was, and that isnât what I attacked anyway. In fact, his averaging of Arcane Crystals is the least problematic thing he did, its just bookend by incorrect assumptions that render the analysis pointless.
I didnât.
Except you just explained why itâs not an issue, you donât like GDKPâs so you donât do them.
There are tons of non GDKP runs going on.
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Everyone knows thats alot of gold and would take a lot of time to accrue. The only thing he tried to do was put that amount of gold into some kind of context. He does this in a lot of his videos - gives examples of what hes talking about. Perhaps for some of his subscribers who arent bleeding edge wow neckbeards, I dunno. It wasnt done for statistical accuracy, just to give his watchers some kind of idea of the amount of time it requires when done legitimately. Thats it. Holding this guy to some information dissemination metric that doesnât exist is just missing the big picture and a petty gripe.
That dude spent close to a quarter million gold on that run, it was well over a quarter million for the raid when it was over and why would you need to bid 198k on a sword if there wasnt at least one other person willing to spend 197,999? These are huge numbers and there things like gold sinks and sleep.
The guy claimed he runs a lot of DME and Willie used his own knowledge and experience (he claims 800 runs) and tried to reverse engineer a way that it was possible and how much time is potentially involved cuz youre not getting that kind of dough from killing barrens mobs 30 hours a week.
Willieâs only shortcoming here is hes not Sherlock Holmes and currently employed by NASA.
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and again it doesnt change the fact that he is speculating that he bought it when he proved himself that it is possible to earn that gold based off of at time information on only 1 item of value in said dme run.
his information is based solely arcane crystal value, not anything else of value in said dme run.
nor does this take into consideration of overall existence of dme and all life history of arcane crystals just at that time value of arcane crystals.
look i like willie and respect his view because he is at the end of the day a person and an entertainer. but it is a lie to suggest that he offered anything other then his speculation on earning of the gold for said purchase.
and once again, yes i do indeed believe based on what little information i have of said instance of gdkp that the guy did not legitimately earn that gold but i can not prove it since mathematically it is theatrically possible to have earned that much gold since the opening of dme. do i think it was wise to spend that value of gold on 1 sword? no but its not my money to spend.
im not trying to pick a fight or even dislike any of you, iâm just offering my point which is what you all are making yourselves.
the difference between mine and yours is that im willing to eat crow once you prove me wrong, which you have yet to do since all your offering is feelings and not actual facts.
This statement should be pretty believable to anyone with a brain. Iâm not saying the video you guys are speaking of is to be taken as 100% fact. Obviously not its part entertainment. However you sound like you are just arguing to argue. GDKPs at any worth while level have a lot of gold buyers being carried. Its OBVIOUS if you ever do them. To argue otherwise is just being dogmatic for the sake of it.
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Of course heâs speculating. He knows heâs speculating, heâs not trying to hide it and he assumes his audience knows it too. The guy didnt say he was giving you the exact low down on DME grinding and its ecological impact to the surrounding wildlife.
Of course that kind of gold can be earned. If you farmed 8 to 10 hours a day, everyday since launch you could probably buy one and a half 198k swords by now - assuming you werenât in a meta parsing guild or rank 14 grind premade. The question for me is, does the handful of people that are able to legitimately grind out that kind of gold offset or somehow excuse the thousands who buy it?
I only ask because every time these discussions crop up it seems like its steered towards its not really a big deal or a very minor one.
If we were in Vanilla 15 years ago, Iâd agree, but the gold amounts people were stockpiling from AH usage and mass farming as early as TBC was pretty staggering. Now, six digits worth of gold is hardly surprising in the least.
Except it isnât. I do several, on multiple characters. No one is tossing around gold that indicates gold buying, in fact the gold thrown around is well within what 2-3 runs would earn you in the first place.
Your âbut it is OBVIOUSâ is unsubstantiated tripe.
see that is an interesting question i find.
do we really have the data on how much gold is actively injected into the economy by legit means?
the who community knows that gold buying and other rmt services are happening in game but the real question is to what extent?
i make no secret or say that gold buying doesnt happen and thinking it doesnt happen, especially in the upper levels of play is just silly to think otherwise.
but most of the time we hear about gold buying in any large significant fashion itâs these one offs that just scream and ooze where you even trying to hide it kinda things.
i think that atleast since we really dont have the data to say any other way so i just have to speculate based off what i can find.
iâm not saying speculation is bad just that its not facts.
sorry if ive upset you mate.