GDKP Is Perfectly Fine

You don’t have to If / then me. Lemme guess you have a C++ as a minor in your engineering studies?

You know what’s funny thou… it’s so easy for people like you to critique people like Willie but what’s even funnier is that I don’t see you trying to prove him wrong… you can say his assumptions are wrong and say his math therefor is wrong. Go from every angle to crap all over his very well done videos but I don’t see one coming from you or anyone else proving otherwise.

If you actually think the gold that guy has is legit, prove it. Otherwise everything you have said is invalid. When you make claims you need weight behind them… Willie at least provided that… also that’s not the only video he has on GDKP.

wait wait wait i’ve seen most of willies vids and was under the impression that he did in fact prove that the person in question COULD have farmed the gold legit but was under the impression it was unlikely due to how much time and effort would have to go into making said gold with said method.

which is speculation on willies part.

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/headdesk

If/then statements are simple logic you silly person. You don’t need to be a programmer to understand that.

I already did. He made bad assumptions not grounded in reality, therefore his conclusion is wrong. This isn’t complicated. He assumes one source of gold, he assumes how much that gold would be, and he assumes no one would spend their hard earned gold in such a manner. None of these are accurate, therefore no conclusion drawn from these is accurate.

You want me to prove a negative? /giggle

Incorrect. I don’t need to prove how the guy got his gold to disprove someone else’s bad argument.

This is a claim, please lend it the appropriate weight to make it true.

He did no such thing. Again, you’re telling me you’re the kind of person that believes a bad argument provided at some point a pretty graph is presented. Don’t be so easily fooled.

…and the relevance of this is? How is another video on GDKP going to augment any facet of WillE’s claim that this person in particularly could not have farmed that gold himself?

/giggle

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This is precisely it. WIllE concludes that because farming time was very large (based upon his assumptions of how much you’d even get), it was unlikely someone would spend that much in one go.

Thing large therefore conclusion is literally his leap in logic, and it is a very bad one.

you can giggle, i’m literally laughing. I bet you feel like you dropped a buncha pipe bombs on me by thinking you dissected each and every sentence I wrote.

Quit feeding him. He will continue to respond. Just let him be and let him have the final say, he’s one of those people who won’t stop till he has the final say letting him believe he is the victor. Move on man, not worth the time.

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You haven’t substantially responded so I’m not left with much else other than amusement that you’re so adamantly defending WillE to prove a larger point he didn’t even make.

/headpat

You wasted all your reports today on “report as spam” again didn’t you?

There are 228 comments in this thread and 200 of them are the same 5 people arguing with each other.

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It’s not that i’m adamantly defending him. I just don’t like people who critique but won’t provide their own proof. Your proof is just “well his are wrong, so I don’t have to prove anything” That’s the easy way out.

Same as it ever was!

Each assumption has been negated in this thread, multiple times, not only by myself but by others, but you’re arguing a burden of proof that doesn’t exist. This isn’t a court of law, nor is it a formal debate. A failure or refusal to provide a sufficient counterfactual doesn’t make an explicitly incorrect argument suddenly truthful.

2 + 2 does not become 5 just because I tell you that you’re wrong, but don’t walk you through the Laws of Identity and Summation.

Plus, in this case in particular, you want me to disprove a negative based upon my own complete conjecture which is just asinine. I can lay out a variety of methods to score hundreds of thousands of gold over a year’s worth of playing Classic, but I have no proof any of those methods are used, only that it would be possible.

I’m not staking a claim on what this guy did to get his gold. I’m only refuting the incredulity as argument claim that WillE made.

Ok then how about you flip this entire argument… how do YOU think the guy made the gold? And do you think he made that much gold legit?

I think his point was that the claim strained credulity - not to prove the guy was mistaken about where all his gold came from.

He actually never stated that. He doesnt mask the fact that hes thinking it but he didnt actually throw the bus in drive and run the guy down. He’s just testing out the guys claim as it is unbelievable. Its not up to willie to amend the guys claim or take anything else into consideration - he’s working off what the guy said.

Right which is subtly insinuating the guy is being purposefully being less than honest to gain more viewership which is an assumption.

Probably farming/AH.

Unless he botted to farm then probably.

If people can do 10-14 hr back to back to back to back binge PvP sessions to grind out R13 and R14 because someone broke brackets, sit in a normal raid for 2-4 hours, or even just make it to lvl60, a simple but efficient gold farming strategy done a few hours a day, most days of the week, would accumulate a tremendous amount of gold.

ZF GY gold farming nets around 40-50g/hour, meaning if you only did that and nothing else and started at zero gold you’d need 4000-5000 hours of farming. If this was the pinnacle of gold/hour, I’d be incredulous of the 166-209 days worth of farming needed to drop 200k, since that’s insanely high.

But I also know that ZF GY farming is incredibly small beans compared to hosts of other solo farming methods, not counting boosts of any kind, and obviously not counting other sources of gold. Jump runs were netting people over 150g/hour when Arcane Crystals were in super high demand for Thunder Fury in Phase 3. You could score several hundred gold per hour if you could do the Landslide farming before they hotfixed it. Early ZG soloing net people all kinds of money, and while it was volatile to be sure, if you were among the first folks to do it, you were rewarded handsomely.

Then there’s just the massive gold to be made playing the AH once you have enough raw income, which people can almost entirely automate now with a lot of preliminary setup and prep with addons, especially if you have an Enchanter and a few crafting toons. Cloth and Leather can be converted into cheap items that can be converted into less cheap enchanting materials that can be listed endlessly until someone buys them at zero cost. Greens and even blues often get listed for all kinds of terribly low prices that allow you to buy, DE, and relist the materials. This is less useful now since so many people use addons for AH related flipping, but early on this was worth tens of thousands of gold without even leaving a capitol city. You can still make easy profits with buying raw materials and selling created items like sappers (these yield big returns), all manner of alchemy consumables, or even something as simple as Thorium Bullets.

And again… none of this really compares to what a Mage can make boosting, and best of all with boosting you’re not even having to worry about the AH, looting anything, none of that. You just get paid a ton per run by four people who individually don’t mind paying that amount. Boosting far outstrips most solo farming methods unless you suck at it or your server economy is just in the toilet.

The list goes on and on.

My three 60’s have about 55 days played at lvl60 between them, and I do not farm all day, or grind things all day, or anything of the sort. P2 was basically 100% raid logging for me. There are folks who easily exceed 60 days played at 60 on each of their various characters. There aren’t many, but holy crap do they have tons of everything all the time, and they aren’t botting.

Which to “strain credulity” you’d have to take the claim 100% literally, which is entirely on WillE.

Again, he’s testing it by taking it 100% literally. That’s silly.

No, just that honesty isn’t guaranteed, nothing more. The claim of “He has no reason to lie” is as reasonable as “He has no reason not to” since nothing we’re talking about actually constrains or checks his honesty.

Again, I dont think the intent was to write a scientific paper and invest hundreds of man hours trying to forensically recreate the guys every moment in the game. The guy said he farmed an instance for 200k gold. You dont gotta do a huge deep dive into that to figure out the guys is probably bs’ing you. Some rudimentary work, like what willie did, is more than sufficient to make the case.

There is no reason to bring up that he’s a youtuber and youtubers generally like lots of viewership unless you’re trying to suggest the guy is misleading people for that purpose.

I didn’t say he needed to.

The guy said, in summarized fashion, that he got his gold doing lots and lots of DME. The end.

Except he didn’t make the case, he found it took a lot of hours of time and conclused “Well I wouldn’t do that so…”

That’s silly.

I didn’t make the original claim as to his honesty and unimpeachable character. Take it up with Raremob.

And I didnt say that you said he needed to. Still, you are not impressed with the quality of his work. You think its incomplete because he’s not factoring every possible coin source even when you know such a project is a huge undertaking - and not at all necessary for what the video was attempting to demonstrate.

The point of the video was to say when you see that kind of gold flying around under the pretenses given its okay if you want to feel a little suspicious. Dont really see anything wrong with that.

In that video he spends more than half of the runtime chasing after some argument that almost nobody would ever claim to really believe. It is pointless rambling with worthless numbers that ultimately doesn’t even prove any point.

It is a very clickbaity video that adds nothing to the conversation. Any idiot could just divide 198000 by 100 to get the hours required for it at 100g/hr and make the same claim of “well that’s a lot more hours than seems reasonable for a sword” and they would have added just as much as WillE did.

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…he made an overly narrow assumption, sprinkled in his own incredulity, and came to the conclusion he likely wanted given his negative treatment of GDKPs generally.

I didn’t need him to make a full spreadsheet, but I would require that he hedge his conclusion far more than he did given how incomplete his information is, not counting his own bias.

LOL what a meaningless conclusion.

“If you get the feelings, it is OK to have them.”

This.

Dude come on. Figuring out the average drop rate of Arcane Crystals (and profits therein) isn’t some gigantic, complicated mystery that one needs to seek peer-review on as you seem to suggest. We all know the drop rate of Arcane Crystals and we all know how many taps you’ll get on average from a large number of DME runs. It’s not a mystery and it’s not wild speculation. These are all known numbers and most 5th graders could do the math and get the correct answer.

Once you have the average drop rate which most 5th graders could figure out, all you need to do is estimate how long a DME run takes (which Willie knows VERY well given that he’s done hundreds of them himself) and then yes, estimate the value of Arcane Crystals on that server and you can see how damn near impossible it is that the dude earned that much gold from DME even factoring in all the other goodies a DME run has like herbs.

Stop pretending this is anything beyond what 99.9% of us could figure out using 5th grade math.

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