What Willie did in that video was investigative reporting and he backed his play with solid evidence.
I get that people dont want GDKP associated with any kind of rampant cheating because then their GDKP runs arent wholly legitimate and is a potential stain on their image but it is what it is.
They should just replace the G for gold in GDKP to Greed.
lol whoâs outraged? His videos are fun to watch and well done! Just look at your responses to me. You came like a bat outta no where and started calling people stupid for watching him, hating on willie like you have a personal vendetta against him. Mad people watch his videos and him making money from it.
Sounds to me like youâre the one outraged. Lmao you even went e-peen try hard saying he sucks cuz he doesnât have a good UI and no keybinds.
LMAO youâre a loser dude. Sounds like pure jealousy! Willie is cool, you are not. People know him, they donât know you, get mad.
Itâs actually very bad investigative journalism then. What he did was take something that was already widely known, RMT exist and some of that gold gets used in GDKPâs. Show some pretty looking charts based on faulty assumptions and then gave it a click bait title while implying that an actual rare event was somehow at all representative of the majority of GDKP runs. For example a less click baity title would have been, one thing gold buyers spend their gold on.
Its really not because he cites his sources as well as his methods so that if anyone wants to go and do the research themselves can do so.
So far the 3 people in this thread that doubt him havent done that and have retreated to the usual discredit the source by haphazardly guessing at his motivations routine since they cant really contend with the argument itself.
Calling into question someones motivations is all well and good but keep in mind thats a two way street and it never ends well for the person or persons on the wrong side of the debate. So if you have anything concrete to prove your point then now would be a good time to get to it.
I was going back and forth with Ziryus guy for awhile the other day but I just found it to be a lost cause because he is extremely dense, he even went to go as far as to say the math Willie did in his video was wrong when Ziryus himself could not prove anything otherwise. They are just haters and now you can see they back each other up, the haters band together LMAO! They are sad individuals.
GDKP is my favorite system of siphoning gold other players paid USD for. My only complaint is getting booted after not bidding on anything for a few weeks and just pocketing the gold.
Seek help my friend. You have a lot of vitriol stored in your heart.
right? I came to the WoW forums this morning, saw a notification and clicked it, I was actually kinda flabbergasted at how much he wrote simply cuz I like Willieâs videos. TBH I kinda feel sad for this guy, seems extremely angry.
His methods were:
This right here is why so many horrid papers get published in formerly reputable journals. Add some graphs and some figures, regardless of whether or not theyâre substantial in any way and the easily amused masses will gobble it up uncritically. His conclusion is a joke because his methods are just blind conjecture and the only sourcing he used was the average price of Arcane Crystals on the AH.
The only reason his motivations even come up are because Raremob asserted, contrary to evidence, that WillE would have no reason to lie to us, stretch any of the truth, or mislead in any way. People responding to that point doesnât render everything else we say invalidated. WillE has a monetized YouTube channel. Drawing viewers to his content is a motivation, and making a video about a recent popculture event within WoW is precisely within his wheelhouse. A shorter and more accurate video would have been WillE just assuming that the guy bought gold because WillE is entirely incredulous that anyone could amass that kind of gold legitimately⌠but that means the video is super short and it loses the punch of supporting it with âmathâ
The math is wrong because the assumptions are wrong. It is very simple.
The actual data collected in the charts and graphs is pretty darn concrete. Are there assumptions made? Yes but thereâs also the data he provides which gives a ton of weight to those assumptions on how the guy made the gold. I had asked the guy I was arguing with to provide his evidence or anything that could back up his claims and he did not / could not.
Thatâs nice and all but that doesnât render their usage valid.
This isnât how data works at all. Providing you a 1,000 pg tome of charts and spreadsheets doesnât render my assumption that everyone is secretly a lizard person as more validly construed.
Facts donât stand up on their own, they must be propped up by something else (ideology, dogma, tenets, laws, etc) that not only determines how theyâre propped up but also how they are used.
WillEâs major assumptions are:
These three assumptions are fatal to his entire argument and invalidate any math he does because it isnât based upon reality. I can declare 2 + 2 = 4 all day long, but unless the units behind those numbers mean something based on truth rather than conjecture, the statement is entirely invalid.
His math is wrong because his assumptions are wrong. None of you would survive any half-decent engineering program trying to argue otherwise.
And you know why this assumption that you claim is wrong is made? Because the guy who made the gold who bought the Gressil said thatâs where his gold came from so thatâs why Willie dived into how much gold he could potentially have made from DME.
What the guy actually said we donât know from WillEâs video because WillE merely summarizes it and asks no further questions. That problem falls on WillE, not the supposed âlots and lots of DMEâ source of gold. Thereâs not even the conjecture as to whether or not the guy was being serious, whether or not further discussion occurred, etc.
WillE assumes he is being utterly, 100%, literally truthful in order to debunk him, and then does so very badly using a made-up gold ratio and a further made-up âI wouldnât do thatâ incredulity. This isnât reporting, it is editorializing with a thin veneer of âauthorityâ through the use of publicly available Arcane Crystal AH prices.
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Put it another way, imagine WillE was covering sports, and decided to âdebunkâ some athleteâs statement that all he had to do to become an Olympian was do X kind of training every day⌠proceeded by a lengthy video about how thereâs only so many hours in a day and to be this kind of athlete heâd have had to made time for these other kinds of trainings and youâd need to take these supplements and also youâd need⌠etc etc. No one in the sport world would take such hyper literalism seriously. Not sure why any of you are here.
Yet more evidence that mods do not actually exist on the forums anymore.
So what is your overall point⌠because I fail to see what you are trying to prove. Are you actually trying to make me believe bots have no influx on the gold on servers or something? Because thatâs not gonna happen, bots are a huge part of the gold that falls into GDKP runs. You could write all the essays in the world you want, nothing will make me believe otherwise.
Also thisâŚ
Youâre one to talk about assumptions⌠when you in fact are a hypocrite. lmao
That WillEâs video isnât a factual based argument, it is just a lengthy clickbait video that concludes with a simple âI donât believe anyone could spend this much gold using only legitimate gold farming sources.â
[Citation Needed]
I donât see bids higher than 4k+ but once every other week on a single item in the whole run. A buddy of mine scored the T3 Rogue Ring from KT for 1k even. I have no doubts that bought gold finds its way onto all sources of gold transactions in the game, including the Auction House, Trade Chat spam, and GDKPs. But what I have not seen is exaggerated gold thrown about in any GDKP that beggars belief compared to the kinds of gold Iâve very casually earned just in the last 2 months.
If you became an engineer while believing that Words + Chart = Good Argument, you are no engineer I ever want to hire. I donât have to make an assumption, thatâs a statement of fact. Actual accredited engineering courses donât let you get partial credit for âgood mathâ that is based on terrible assumptions. You screw up a boundary condition, you get no further credit since that is the absolute foundation of the rest of your model.
Just because you feel insulted doesnât make me wrong.
Why should he assume anything else? Thats what the guy claimed and that claim should rouse a fair amount of skepticism if you got your head screwed on straight. So Willie, doing the best he could with all the information he could muster this side of RNG, tried to see if there is any legitimacy to such a claim. To his credit, he didnt even say the gold was clearly bought, only that it would take an ungodly amount of time to accrue through DME runs which I dont think anyone can really argue with.
For someone who likes to take people to task for making assumptions you sure dont shy away from them. Im sure Willie would love more views and more revenue but you dont have to be a carnival barker to draw people in. Heâs an obvious fan of the game and thereâs a level of sincerity to his content that people like me enjoy. I dont always agree with him on everything but he does solid work.
Dude look at these essays you are doing. I donât feel insulted in the least bit. I just find the irony of how you are goin off on assumptions only to make one yourself then tryin to back it up out of some fictitious facts that are running thru your brain.
Itâs to the point of being comical, no lie I literally laughed out loud when you said Iâm no engineer you would hire based off a post on the WoW forums. THAT right there is comedy gold and you should be a comedian rather than an engineer.
This right here. So long as people can continue monetizing from in game currency this system is NEVER going to go away.
Because he has a brain and understands that 100% of anyoneâs gold doesnât come from a single source so spending 10min to debunk a hyper literalist understanding of a summarized statement is rather silly.
Took a single claim, construed it as narrowly as possible, assumed zero other evidence other than his own incredulity, and concluded the guy must be a gold buyer. Brilliant.
I didnât claim anything more than the simple truth that WillE wants eyeballs on his channel, giving him more than sufficient motivation to do whatever he wants to achieve that end. He isnât some paragon of virtue, so treating him as such is just fan worship or sheer naivety.
1-2 sentence responses do not an essay make.
I didnât make any assumptions. I made a simple if-then claim:
IF youâre the kind of person who thinks doing a lot of arithmetic gives you a pass on having faulty assumptions;
THEN youâre the kind of person who cannot survive any half-decent engineering program.
If you want a more detailed explainer as to why youâd fail IF youâre that kind of person, Iâm more than happy to explain why, but that isnât why you tried to âah ha youâre a hypocrite!â Oh and FYI, hypocrisy is annoying to be sure, but it doesnât invalidate truth. A very fat and out of shape person telling you how to eat a healthy diet doesnât suddenly become incapable of doing so.
Well since that isnât what I said Iâll add to the list: âsubstandard reading comprehensionâ