I don’t see why GDKP wouldn’t be allowable. It makes pug raids arguably more fair if done on the level (no shady business).
Then you must never go to school, if Chinese organizations use 7k+ bots on server farming gold 7*24 (What caused queue over 7k+ when we had no queues). What gear can you buy with your split?
I’m going to assume you’re not responding to me and simply didn’t quote the person you were responding to. If you were responding to me, however, I’m going to have to ask you to reword what you said in a way that actually makes sense.
If there’s no bots, then GDKP run is fair just like dkp run, but gdkp run is organized by Chinese gold sellers/bots, so you will know who favor it.
If there are over 7000 bots per server, 3500 bots on each side, then GDKP run is unfair.
It is just like government print $100 billion per day, and spend the money buy stuff for government agents, every citizen will feel the inflation day by day.
You can be the citizen that suffer the inflation, buy a milk for $50 million bulks or be part of the cheater, close to the printer be the gdkp raider get split. Anyway if you are not the printer (BOTS or gold buyers), you always suffer the inflation.
I see a rogue who goes to GDKP run every single week since BWL release, he also spent all split gold to buy gear, guess what? He only has 6 T2, that’s all he earned from BWL GDKP run for over 3 months, if you think it’s fair.(no gold left)
What GDKP cause will be, people get gear from guild run, pug, then work for RMT and BOTS get split what cause more bots and RMT, since it’s not coporate each other to kill boss get your share, it’s just you are hired by RMT players to farm for them.
It’s really hard to make heads or tails of what you’re trying to say…
I find myself highly skeptical that all GDKP raids are being organized by Chinese bots, though. And I’m pretty sure it’d be fairly easy to tell if one was when attempting to join.
I’m sure it’s not every single run but anyone (and there were multiple people in here) arguing that GDKP isn’t a huge portion of RMT is obviously either trying to troll, incapable of rational thought or just wants to argue. People will always say “I’m not interested in that part of the game, i only want to do (x), why should i do the part that i don’t want just to get to what i do want?” Those people will by and large look for shortcuts to get what they want and in WoW the biggest shortcut of all is to just…buy everything.
This is human nature and has been going on for forever. Hell what do you think cheat codes were for old games? A way to bypass something you don’t like to get to something you do. GDKP is a fine system in a glass box. Once you put GDKP with human nature it’s going to follow itself to its own natural conclusion which is exactly what has happened.
Enjoy your slave time and defend your master or you are just gold seller.
You will have 750k gold on one binding soon. All runs are GDKP on Chinese server, ,they sell binding for 750k gold. How many bots there that farm 750k gold? Enjoy your 5 layers and 90% bots server.
These are the US forums. We don’t have a Chinese server.
So if someone that buys gold buys your item off the AH you can get banned for it? You’re full of it. If everyone that received RMT gold at some point through some second hand means such as GDKP or selling an item on the AH was getting banned, there would be nobody left in game
We will all work for RMT players soon anyways, why do you care?
Ya 640g-1kg sink is the same as a 5k edgies or dropping 12k on a nef staff.
I guess we don’t need to go to the moon anymore either, cause I went for a hike the other day an got half way up a mountain. Thats pretty much the same thing.
Why you compete when you can cheat, GDKP is best way to farm gold since they get split from BOTS/RMT.
So I know this is an old topic but it’s still relevant even today. I wanted to comment because I have some particular insight to the belly of the beast of this way of getting loot.
I used to be a former raid manager for the Official Sulfuras Discoard GDKP server. A community that has been running since roughly late April of 2020.
Note this is my only experience with GDKPs but I know Sulfuras is one of the largest servers in wow classic and highly competitive. However, as far as I am aware, there has only ever been three confirmed gold buyers in our raids. I think they are all banned at this point from the game. At least I don’t see them come up anymore.
I think it’s important for people to realize just how easy it can be to get money depending on your server.
The reason this is important is because generally speaking you tell when you’ve encountered one of the following GDKP attendees:
Gold Buyers (Money from buying it with real currency)
Mage or Mage alts (money from boosting)
Hard Core Players (Money from just playing a lot)
The Casual Gamer (whatever they can vendor and be lucky enough to obtain in their limited play)
I have been in raids where items have went for 115k, to runs that I walk away with 100g for 3hours of raiding. The run where something went for 115k was an outlier. A rarity, almost never happens.
Most new raids, generally start off high cuts and drop off sharply once a new raid comes.
While I won’t deny that I am sure money from gold buyers has made it’s way into these raids, I would be hard pressed to agree with claims that it is the majority of players or raids. At least on this server anyway.
When we formed this community we actually have tiers - Management (those who manage issues with raid leaders and the community) Raid Leaders (those people who have been vetted and are allowed to be the ones to create raids) Raiders (those who join the raid)
I am probably some where between the casual gamer and the hard core player. I do run two accounts which does help me maximize my efforts for money making. However, currently in classic I am now at 31k gold. Had I never donated any of my money away, spent any of it on GDKPs, helped many up on many people get their epic mounts, I would imagine I would be sitting at close to 50-60k gold.
I am fortunate enough to have the ability to work from home, and be able to play casually (farm) as I work.
Just joining these raids, has probably earned me around 1k on average a week since may of 2020. Keep in mind I buy consumes to raid with my guild, and buy items if I miss a raid week, and get lucky to have it drop. I also geared some alts in GDKP too.
By the time naxx dropped, the first runs were producing 7-8k cuts. or more. now they are dropping to 3k or 4k and now sub 2k at times.
I would never underestimate the ability to make quick money in wow classic. Those who do buy gold, I promise do not hide it from big brother simply by coming to GDKPs. Blizzard has every transaction and they can see it all.
Guilds have been selling loot for gold long before GDKP and that’s a major hole in your argument here
Unless you’re doing a lot of due diligence/research on every player within your GDKP runs, you can’t really claim that RMT gold doesn’t make it in often.
The people here claiming it’s the same as buying BoEs are making bad faith arguments and they know it. A BoE is BoE because it’s intended to be tradable, to be a commodity. BoP items are on a completely different system, that is they are BoP. They weren’t intended to be a commodity or else they would be BoE.
Well no, of course not. Only blizzard can see that. However – we have spread sheet data that has kept track of life time highs, mids, averages. You can def tell when someone came in and broke the average by bringing in outside money.
As part of being a raid manager you must use the spread sheets to monitor it all.
So, no I’m sorry you’re not correct. I know it’s not as analytical as you like but I’m here right now, telling you, from experience you —know-- when a gold buyer has entered the raid.
I think people are projecting anger at gold buyers (rightfully so), vs underestimating just how good players are at making money now.
you have to piece this link together but here is the spread sheet. please feel free to take a gander.
docs .google. com/ spreadsheets/d/10CEAVN4SK0T0U1UsP_-WyLKqhjA1feczxNUGerB7-qY/edit#gid=2096669831
I think you’re simply underestimating how diverse the gold-buying population is. It sounds like your vision of a gold-buyer is just some random kid that doesn’t know what anything is worth, so he buys a bunch of gold with his parents’ money and spends 30k on something relatively easy.
Ah well, I tried, you have your vision of how things are now. Try joining these raids, you’d understand. But whatever. The issue isn’t GDKPs, it’s blizzard not monitoring it.