Theres no such thing as “gatekeeping” you can form your own raid.
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That is the very definition of being a gatekeeper. Now the guy does have a point, but that point is the my point. My point is that 1. A person needs to complete Gnomer to even get into Gnomer? How can you put the cart before the horse? 2. They not only have to have done something even though they have never had a chance to do it, but they also needed to do well in it, aka have gear, aka the type of gear they are in there for to begin with.
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quick solution to this is to form your own group.
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A quick solution is not to go against ones own personality from birth.
In other words, you can’t turn a beta into an alpha no matter how much yam derived testosterone you inject into him.
ummm…
I’m a follower and have formed raids several times in the past…
What?
Scared someone is going to jump through the screen and attack or something?
Its not a Beta or Alpha thing at all…
its lazy and not lazy.
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You are not a strict follower. You are a combination of a leader and a follower. You are probably like me, a person who is able to fill whatever role given to them.
Others are not however and can be strictly followers, becoming so uncomfortable that an anxiety develops. I’m just saying we should think about and respect those people too.
I’m not sure others reasons, but for me, I have to use headphones when I voice with others and I dislike wearing headphones. I prefer listening to my own music or talking to someone IRL as I play.
Well, there is that too.
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Are you not able to join a guild or alternatively form your own Gnomer group?
Side note, I’ve seen quite a number of posts in LFG where folks say “no experience needed”.
Yes, it’s going to be more difficult to get into a group without experience, especially if you’re not some super desirable class, but that’s natural.
It’s a big supply-and-demand problem where there’s a huge amount of DPS, and just because it doesn’t work out for you doesn’t mean that you’re being gatekept.
If you want easy invites, play a healer.
I just provided receipts for a player to leads raids, meaning this is done time and time again to players.
Personally, I don’t care and feel good right now without doing Gnomer, just sayin though.
It’s by definition not gatekeeping, rather natural selection. Nobody is physically preventing others from doing Gnomer. You are actually gatekeeping yourself by definition lol. If logs gatekept Gnomer then the #1 parsing guild in the world wouldn’t be able to do Gnomer themselves by your logic. Bc their first run, they wouldn’t invite themselves due to it being their first run and “gotta do gnomer to get into gnomer”. sounds silly right? Make your own raid and you do the leg work and then come back here and tell me if it was worth it. You would 100% check logs the next time you hosted one OR you wouldn’t and thats completely ok bc thats how you choose to play. Stop forcing players to play with you or at your level/style of playing. That’s the real problem here, not log checkers
It’s cute that the folks who type this nonsense never think they’re the betas.
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Gl telling people how to play the game. That will go well.
" In the context of online communities, gatekeeping refers to the actions of individuals or groups who try to define what is and isn’t acceptable within a particular community and determine who is and isn’t allowed to participate ."
Google “gatekeeping gaming meaning” and that is what you get, so yes, by definition, it is gatekeeping.
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“the actions of individuals” is the action of the guy from these forums I quoted from, who leads raids and others who think like him. “Which is okay, just saying”
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“who try to define what is and isn’t acceptable” means 6/6=good 0/6=not acceptable. green parse acceptable, grey parse not acceptable.
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“and determine who is and isn’t allowed to participate” Yup, the game is not saying they can’t come. The game not allowing them to enter, such as MC with attunement. It is a player, or players, who set a different standard, which means they are gatekeepers.
Yeah, which is the point people are trying to make who call out gatekeeping. Asking for 6/6 players is doing exactly what you said is silly.
I personally think people who vet players are smart, leading to a successful raid. But it is what it is and I can see another point of view while maintaining my own.
I have what is necessary, I just choose not too. For others, I bet each is a bit different.
You are implying something by saying this. I’m not sure if you are preferring to my character, if PvE or PvP, or me IRL.
I’m a PvPer and will meet you in game and destroy you like nothing. So I’m good bruh
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Gatekeeping - "the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something."
nobody is preventing general access to Gnomer raid. they are “gatekeeping” their own group sure, but not the raid itself in which this entire discussion is full null and voided from the word “gatekept”. Logic and how factual information can depict a scenario case by case matter heavily here. You cannot gatekeep a WoW raid outside of spam killing other players at the door or Blizzard actually gatekeeping it. A player can not gatekeep content that is readily available to 100% of the players on SoD all with equal opportunity.
Like imagine an 80 average parser complaining that his 100 parses are being gate kept by the #1 pve guild. imagine that 80 parsers forcing that #1 to recruit him and if they don’t then they’re all trash rat humans. thats crazy talk
Correct. I don’t know why people want to run with people the so blatantly disagree with anyway. Unless its just laziness and they want to be carried.
Lot of insecure gatekeepers in this thread.
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Doing anything outside of occasionally auto attacking is sweaty and elitist!
“Just form a raid”
Outcome 1:
LFG: “LFM Gnomer, need all- new to raid.”
LFG an hour later: “LFM Gnomer, need all- new to raid.”
Outcome 2:
Player joins raid
Finds out raid lead hasn’t done it
Player leaves raid
It’s unironically a bunch of people tryharding in classic…which the funniest **** to me.
(If someone hasn’t done the raid, or is grey parsing and it’s not some outside element, maybe try to help them learn it or improve?)
By that definition, Blizzard is actually the one who started gatekeeping culture by not allowing people under level 40 into gnomer. When will level 1’s and level 40’s be able to raid together, we need that kind of equality!
Nah you don’t get a say in who invites you
Everyone gets an invite button brother
Maybe it’s time to use yours
But the raid is so easy that we shouldnt need to worry about who we invite right?
…right?
…?