Garrosh didn't work out, so here's MoP 2.0

Ye.

Probably to make us hate the Yrelforged more, just killed like he was nothing.

Same, and we didn’t see Grom die so the same might have happened to him.

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You joke, but…

I unironically would kind of want this

Because they are playable. They can’t really become an expansion villain if they are members of a playable fac- wait. glances at Sylvanas

No, let’s not do that, third time isn’t the charm.

But basically, I don’t think in an expansion where both factions fight a Light based villain faction, that the playable Lightforged would work. Do we really want to kill of our few Lightforged NPCs?

That’s a fair point, but I think eventually Blizz will return to them for the sake of throwing new enemies at us.

Probably not anytime soon though.

I assume they didn’t want the Alliance players of them to be depicted in such a negative light (pun not intended). I came to notice this especially in Before the Storm with Turalyon.

'You and I are fueled by other things."
“The Light,” Anduin said quietly.
“The Light, yes,” Turalyon agreed. "But we should let it guide us, not command us. We also have our own minds and hearts. We should make use of those as well.
Anduin said nothing. He had heard of the battlesthat Turalyon and Alleria had been fighting for a millennium. He knew they had been devotees of a naaru called Xe’ra, who, they thought, had epitomized what they loved best about the Light. Instead, Xe’ra had revealed herself to be stern and implacable - dangerously so.

Good or bad, I assume they will highlight this sort of thing should a conflict come.

Hard to say. We’ve heard the rumors of Light tyranny several times. I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes a major plot point at some point.

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I dont think a villain is needed to show the ruthless, possibly dangerous side of the light.

Many Alliance players have been wanting the faction to have more teeth, to actually commit some morally questionable acts.

The Lighforged Draenei would have been an amazing opportunity to do that. It would have also done a great deal to separate Lightforged from Normal Draenei

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Do we get to slaughter all the kings too?

Of course not, they’ll I’ll decide to put aside their differences and help our world with their Human Talent.

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My main problem with WoD was twofold:

  1. It was used to retcon the whole “Orcs were relatively peaceful until Manneroth”
  2. It was a naked excuse to kill a bunch more orcs.
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I mean that wasnt really true since they went to war before they drank the blood. They just went full crazy after they drank it.

They were at war, but per Rise of the Horde it was pretty much “we’re told we need to defend ourselves.” WoD turned the Orcs into genocidal maniacs without Legion interference.

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So the Darkspear Rebellion was for nothing.

Fantastic.

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Untrue.

Grom saw the threat of the Legion and so did the elements which means all the Shaman saw what he saw from them. They also saw the Orcs corrupted so the Horde was untrustworthy and they saw the Alliance defeat and imprison the Orcs so they knew they too were a threat.

Garrosh’s warnings were proven to the entire Horde with Mannaroth and Gul’dan so his word became gold.

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And then they decided to wage a war of extermination against their neighbor draenei, who weren’t able to be painted as enemies planning the orcs’ deaths this time around, just because the idea of having neighbors is mutually exclusive with total planetary conquest. Along with orc clans who weren’t willing to cooperate in unprovoked genocide, and even ones who were willing to cooperate but didn’t have the resources to contribute as much as the warlords would like.

Not that I’m saying that makes them irredeemable or irreversibly evil in a realist sense. Because mind you, real life humans have done most of the same stuff for most of the same reasons, and that isn’t a reason to write off the species (or a given nationality) as automatically evil. But it does make for incoherent and contradictory storytelling, where we’re repeatedly told one thing about the original orcs… while the scenario we paid sixty+ dollars and sub fees for is showing us the opposite.

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What do you think “relatively” means?

They were moving to wipe out the Frostwolves, the Draenei, and enslave the rest. That wasn’t really something that the Orcs were into pre-WoD.

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Oh, but they understand them perfectly. Is their ticket to victory on their long lasting dream of homogenization of the factions, so they can one patch after justify merging them and limit their workload to their pet characters while the rest of the cast follow them as good little puppies.

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Garrosh. Remember he is the “savior” of the Orcs and he said they had to go or they would stand in the way.

Anti-slavery is a Thrall ideal not really a Horde one its practiced today.

Tfw players know more about the story than the creators

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I dont know if you meant this as a joke or not but it’s probably not all that far off.

No the factions will probably never “merge” but from a production/writing standpoint… well they didnt give the Alliance a spray painted Warchief position for no particular reason. They did it because it’s easier to write around. And now they’re squeezing the “off” elements from the Horde for a similar reason. Or so I suspect.

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Serious as a heart attack on an AIDS patient… I´ve been dreading this since the first leaks of BtS came out. And every new spoiler just makes me more convinced…

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