Garrosh didn't work out, so here's MoP 2.0

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Its like a recurring theme for the horde, but they doubled down on it this expansion with Sira and Delaryn. Putting people in charge that dont want to/ arent ready to be in charge leads to disaster… but why in the Horde over and over and over and over again. Can we have a different story now?

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Little faces made the internet great.

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I don’t think they understand the implications of demonstrating the Horde learned nothing from Vol’jin.

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When they said “We’re not going to do to Sylvanas what happened with Garrosh”, apparently they meant they were going to do it right this time with proper self-questioning of why the heck we would go along here.

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At least they admitted that this is a MOP redo. Lets call a spade a spade and stop insulting everyone’s intelligence.

The Horde at large has a bloodthirsty element that apparently isn’t going anywhere any time soon. Chirstie even called it out in BtS when Sylvanas mentions that once the Horde will thirst for blood once they recover from defeating the Legion, and that’s not even Sylvanas projecting.

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I still am a bit disappointed over what they did to Garrosh. I actually liked him in Cata but then they doubled down on making him evil in MoP.

Honestly with the way this storyline is going i’m half expecting Thrall to pop up any second and do his green Jesus thing.

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They really, really don’t.

They don’t seem to understand that, regardless of how BfA ends, the damage is done.
It doesn’t matter if the Horde “finds themselves” or not.
It doesn’t matter if Saurfang ignites rebellion and overthrows Sylvanas.
It doesn’t matter if Sylvanas triumphs and is proven “right”.

The Horde will still be a faction that couldn’t go two or three years without losing control of themselves and becoming tyrannical monsters. You can’t hand-wave it away. You can’t pretend Sylvanas was just a bad apple and now everything is gucci.

What’s the use of the Horde finding themselves if they’re ruined along the way?

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The only way the Horde can finish BfA without making them look like massive hypocrites is if they embrace the Old Horde philosophy of conquest, denounce Thrall and Baine/Vol’jin/Saurfang and the players who rolled Horde for what Warcraft 3 and early World of Warcraft sold us and tell us we’re wrong.

At which point, the Horde truly finds itself and the story of BfA would make sense… at the cost of utterly destroying everything they had built prior and telling people who grew to love the whole idea of heroic monsters that they’re stereotypical monsters instead.

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A fun game to play is to replace some words with the original quite to make Blizz look even more incompetent.

When you look back at things with Illidan, the result of that didn’t really clean up some stuff. But it didn’t really, fundamentally, make the Players look at themselves and question themselves. So with Legion, let’s look at those things.

Or

When you look back at things with Warcraft 1 and 2, the result of that didn’t really clean up some stuff. But it didn’t really, fundamentally, make the old Horde look villainous enough. So with Warlords of Draenor, let’s look at those things.

And my favorite prediction for the future…

When you look back at things with Arthas, the result of that didn’t really clean up some stuff. But it didn’t really, fundamentally, make Players look at the Scourge and question themselves. So with Wrath of the Crispy King, let’s look at those things.

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Said it before and I’ll say it again, because the entire MoP, specifically SoO with Garrosh going crazy, didn’t solve any internal Horde strife. It instead did the opposite and caused more problems. The Horde always had a gap in it with Kalimdor Horde vs Eastern Horde. Orcs, Tauren, Trolls vs Forsaken, Blood Elves, Goblins. SoO didn’t solve the whole Kalimdor Horde vs Eastern Horde dilemma. It didn’t bring Forsaken, Blood Elves, and Goblins to equality of the Kalimdor races, because they still don’t follow the notion of honor. It didn’t fix ANYTHING! It made things a lot worse. It brought Orcs down, this widened the gap between Kalimdor Horde and Eastern Horde because Orcs became hypocrites. Even after everything was finished, It was attempting to go back to the status quo of putting the Eastern Horde races as outcasts, thus solving nothing. So yeah Blizzard is redoing MoP 2.0, because the first one was a complete failure in terms of finding the Heart of the Horde. It also killed off the Alliance and made it Blue-Horde-but-the-better-Horde. SoO was a painful waste of everyone’s time that made a few infections in the game even worse.

At least everything else in MoP leading up to SoO was fun for The Horde. The Alliance not so much since they also lost their soul at the start of that expansion, ironically…

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And they’re still not doing it right, because there isn’t any self-questioning in the game. So they’ll have to do it again in a couple of years, apparently.

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Maybe they’ll do an AU Forsaken for an Allied Race in two expansions.

Anachronos : Sylvanas Windrunner… Such a pity how things turned out.
Anachronos : In countless potential timelines, she was seen as a great hero to her people. Some called her the Horde’s greatest warchief.
Anachronos : What you saw here was one of her worst possible incarnations. A waste.

Doubt I’ll be around to see the end of this garbage though. Seriously considering cancelling my sub next week when Blue Mage is added to FFXIV.

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I did, and this “Lore QA” made me regret it even less. :smiley:

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Honestly though given how WoD expanded on Draenor to the point I prefer it over Azeroth, seeing the EK get a similar treatment would be interesting.

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People give WoD lots of shix, but I think the expansion on Draenor’s history was fantastic and getting to know what the arakkoa and ogres were like before the Rise of the Horde was great. Also exploring the clans. The only expansion I didn’t really like was the draeneis.

Honestly, the exploration of warlords was good, it was the current content that was the ‘modern’ stuff. The Iron Horde stopped feeling like a threat, and a third of the post-levelling zone Story felt missing.

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WoD needed Chronicle to fully finish its Draenor up, but even without Chronicle I really liked what it showed us. Chronicle is just what fully cemented it as being my favorite Warcraft planet over Azeroth.

Definitely, WoD’s problem was a lack of content rather than setting problems.

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WoD gets a lot of criticism and on the content front it deserved it. However, despite a lack of content I loved seeing pre shattered Draenor. I loved the Orc clans, I loved seeing a fully functioning Draenei society.

(Too bad the Mag’har scenario ^@%$ all over it)

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Next Expansion, going to the purified light realms, worlds of total silence.

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I don’t really get why Blizzard wanted to just shunter off Draenor. I would’ve pulled it into our reality from the get go, putting it where our Draenor once was. Have the AU orcs and draenei stick around. I mean, most draenei in the MU died, so really most draenei in the AU don’t have a counterpart. And most orcs form that time are dead already.

I know I’m in a minority, but I’m actually really interested to see if the Lightbound get brought back. I really think we need a villain not based on Fel/Void/Death, and Lightbound area really good chance at that.

Don’t approve of them killing Durotan off screen though, what the hell. What, did Blizzard honestly think we’d care more about seeing Grom than Durotan?

Part of me hopes he’s not dead, and “surprise! yrel locked him in a cell trying to convert him to her side as a form of validation to justify the horrible things she’s doing”. Plus it’d also feed into a possible Yrel redemption route by establishing her doubt and maybe a good story.

Really, I think the Lightbound pose a great story opportunity. It just has to be done right.

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I mean, I get the idea is to show the light can be ruthless but two things.

  1. Why couldn’t we get ruthless, warmongering light crusaders out of our actual Lightforged Draenei?

  2. I would be shocked if we ever see the Lightbound ever again

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