Gamma was made as catch up for ICC. So ofc its reward must be lower than ICC raid. 245 ilvl is reasonable for scourgestone exchanging.
About the loot, it should be 232 ilvl to match with ICC dungeon.
Just my opinion.
You got the nerd elite here arguing that they aren’t meant for catch-up at all…
Lotta conflicting interests going on around here.
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I like the idea they made gamma dungeon for grinding with extra affixes, buff and debuff.
However, those affixes were not well-balanced, making some being annoyed rather than interesting and funny grinding, while some others 're not convenient for some specific classes even when ppl 're doing the mechanic.
The web pop rate in AN/OK for example, sometimes it pops 3 webs at a time. It 's annoying when your dps don’t have enough dmg to clear adds fast enough and it happens more.
COS/HOS/HOL are not hard, but take very long time if you 're going with 4.5k ish dpser.
NEX / OCU are not hard too, but very annoyed if your dps 're all warlock, priest and melee.
And 2nd boss at TOC (paltress) is a nightmare for any group short of interrupt.
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I mean, it should be harder than regular heroic to have increased reward.
However, some affixes 're really annoyed, especially for lower geared ppl (whom really want to “catch up”)
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I understand your point, but let 's be real.
It 's 40 or 50 dungs but not 300ish, lol.
The irony of the web wrap on gamma is interesting for sure, you want to stay wrapped for X amount of time to get the damage buff to better clear. I will say that the small piddly adds should probably not trigger webs, but honestly the web wraps die so quickly anyway.
HoS/HoL should be nonstop to maximize the damage and healing buff, dps really shouldn’t matter if your group is keeping the buff active the whole time.
CoS is bland, I am unsure what the intent was there but it doesn’t feel very different.
Wand macro to target mirrors, melee should just tab over quick. It’s annoying only if people aren’t helping with mirror images.
Use the buffs on the ground to buff your dps and get some extra healing. I do feel this boss is over tuned but not impossible with competent groups.
Doing as healer / tank with a group of 4k ish dpser, it 'll cost you over 30 mins without wipe, keep buff up all the time.
It’s also the place where i see most vote kick because of “low dps”.
Wand 1.8s per shot, while melee must spend a lot of time running around. I didn’t mean it can’t be done, just it’s unnecessary annoying.
Don’t get me wrong, i like OCU as it 's considered easy and give more stones, but it’s a fact that 's some ppl hate it.
AN 's surely where the most ppl leave and the most instance left undone. I saw numerous ppl leave right after get in AN.
Anyway, if the dev look at the dungeon data, about leaving percentage, undone percentage, so they can easily see what 's going on and what should be adjusted. However, it looks like that they don’t want to spend more time on WOTLK dungeons (especially when SoD released)
If the DPS output is too low, that isn’t a gamma issue. Not an attack just saying.
If people aren’t stacking so webs can be cleared this isn’t a gamma issue. The play is to have everyone stack so nobody is out of position.
I am one of those people tbh. It was well hated prior to Gamma though.
yeah the adds in AN spawning webs can be rough but if people are stacked it shouldn’t be an issue outside of extreme RNG.
I don’t like them… I think its a inconvenience. I only have 3 pieces from the scourage-stones 4 at a time. Plus getting into them is a hassle much less feeling adequate. I imagine we’ll be seeing them as we will be seeing LFR just the same. I would prefer not seeing them again, but it helps gear up in the “earlier” stages
Again, i’m not against gamma affixes. Generally I like the idea. However, as i said, it should be balance and convenience for every average player.
The average player has normal and heroic dungeons to play if they are not able or capable of playing the more difficult ones.
Did you read before reply me?
The point is gamma affixes were not well-balanced. Some considered easy and funny grinding, while others 're annoying. It should be adjusted.
The loot should be 232 ilvl too, to match with ICC dungeons, while gamma 're harder (or cost more time) than those 3.
The forum does not show who you are asking that question to, you want to clarify?
Catch-up gearing was vastly easier with H+ though.
FoS for daily emblems is exactly what people would have been doing if gamma didn’t exist.
Base Cata heroics will not be challenging in tier 10 lol
So M+ with no timer.
How do you define “necessary” in this game? I also don’t think they’re all terrible. Getting +50% crit by removing your fire debuff by walking in ice was fun if it actually worked properly.
Just going to ignore sidereal/scourgestones? 239/245 loot from gammas. And ilvl-buffed Ulduar gear is very good catch-up gear. Do you think you should get all that for a regular heroic?
My guy, this is content that can be queued for in RDF with poop gear.
“A faceroll that took forever” have you tried pressing your buttons? Goes pretty quick if you do that.
Between the 225 base loot which includes t8 set bonuses, sidereal/scourgestones for 239/245 gear, and triumph for even more 245 gear, gammas are an insanely efficient catch-up. Complaining that 225 gear is not enough for the difficulty is absurd to me.
Gamma dungeons are considered higher than Beta and equal to ICC Heroic. So its base loot should be 232ilvl is reasonable.
Beta already provided 225 ilvl loot, sidereal and triumph emble as well
ICC Heroic provided 232 ilvl loot, scourgestones and triumph emble, the same with gammas.
Anyway, it’s not a big deal, just a small tweak that can be adjusted if they really care about WOTLK P4 and P5
That depends on your starting point imo.
For fresh 80s it got worse as more tiers of TR dungeons were released. As it stands now there are I think 4 tiers of heroic dungeons splitting the population but noone cares about anything but gamma.
If you don’t have a guild to carry, thousands of gold to buy BOE’s or want to farm BGs it feels like a dead end and is not good for the health of the game.
Even if you took a break and came back a tier or two behind it can be a pain in the rear.
Besides that point is the fact Alpha was a failure and beta and gamma have continued to water down or negate the mechanics put in making the whole thing pointless imo.
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Incredible, found the dude who spent 2011 and 2023 in cryogenic stasis.
I can’t help any of you when you only see the game through a personal lens. Few if any of us here had trouble. There are hundreds of thousands of other players who did, and will, and that adversely impacts the game.
I agree that Alpha is generally bad and died out after beta/gamma appeared.
However, did you actually queue regular heroic?
In fact, it takes less queuing time for regular heroic than gamma (4-6m as dps for regular heroic, while 7-12m for gamma, at the same time window 6-10pm).
And there were some cheap 225 ilvl BoE you could find on AH (mostly 50-200g). I wonder how could it be a dead end if any alt can easily reach 4.3k GS (~215 ilvl) in less than 5 hours. And from this point, you should be more than ready for gamma.
Unfortunately I play on oceanic/AU region and in blizzards infinite wisdom to not connect this region with US west coast for rdf we have a much smaller player pool but also thats only since rdf was added before that you have only your server and faction.
I of course had no issue on my main or main alt for the whole wrath xpac but on multiple other alts across all 3 roles across all tiers I found it quite a struggle to get groups for anything other than the current TR dungeon level even normal heroics. It could be done but also could take 30min to get a group together.
cheap boes is also very server/faction/tier/crafter dependant, I just logged now and see the cheapest purple plate helm at 3k, 213 leather shoulders 2k, 200 leather waist 600g, moonshroud gloves for 200.
AH prices atm not a great reflection as wrath pretty dead atm. but they have varied alot throughout the tiers. sometimes you can get something cheap but not always
It can vary wildly, not saying it can’t be done tho.
If you think release heroics will be challenging in tier 13 gear, idek what to tell you!