I also do not want RDF, solidifying the “we”.
I am Spartacus!
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Ummm what? RDF is not the reason the content in retail is soo stupidly easy. The developers have no idea how to scale anything nor do they even care at all so long as mythic + is tuned correctly. RDF doesn’t make the dungeon easier… What are you even talking about?
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rdf is a solution to loot control. so many groups of three or less people reserving loot. the entitlement is real with most players. gotta be bis at every level. fun stuff. rdf gives players who don’t want to conform to the rules of the eletists for a chance to play. fair rolls. entitlement can remain in the guilds. if you don’t want rdf then get social in these terrible people guilds and tow the line. we all know decent casual players don’t get entitlement to rolls at loot in classic.
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It’s really sad this topic never develops to any meaningful direction any more.
The basis of them removing RDF has already been invalidated (i.e. there is no social/community value left in dungeon runs to be preserved), so really no reason to discuss this any more.
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I’m leaning towards RDF. It was pretty cool back in they day, met a lot of awesome players that way. It might be the edge that keeps people playing and brings in new players. It’s still goin to take 30 minutes + with the populations we have, so when you find good players you friend them. That’s how I remember original RDF working back in the day.
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I don’t know if they do weigh pros and cons, they have a history now of ignoring their players and then doing what the players ask for halfway through the expansion. It seems sometimes like they get focused on an idea and just can’t change for some reason, whether that’s ego or just stupidity who knows? I have a feeling we’ll see the rdf at some point when they see their new tool isn’t successful, but why not just give it to us at the start?!?
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another shining example of the socializations blizzard and the anti-RDFers want to nurture and coddle.
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Right. So you dont need RDF if that’s the case. RDF is a community tool. If there is no community there is no need for RDF.
So you actually agree with Blizzard but want it anyway.
Now that is mental gymnastics.
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Blizz: We dont think RDF is good for the community on a social basis.
Players: There is no community. Its all gatekeepers and toxic personalities. Its dead, no such as socialization exists.
Blizz: Great, glad you see it our way.
Players: bUt mUh RaNdOm GrOuPs MaDe Up FrOm PeOpLe iN tHe CoMmUnIty
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Uhhh, what?
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If Blizz says they are not putting it in because of the impact on socialization and the players say there is none because it has degraded to inhuman levels then you proved Blizz right.
If normal socialization is already non existent and/or xenophobic then you only make it worse by giving them one button access to dramaville.
Of course the majority gets it bass ackwards like they always do and think if socialization is already crap might as well make it easier on the crap to be crappy.
Blizz doesnt think your convenience is worth the trouble. Cant say I blame them.
You’re dividing by zero. If there is no community feel then adding RDF doesn’t make it less of no community. You can’t get less than 0 or worse than nothing.
All RDF can do is improve the game for literally everyone. Wotlk isn’t vanilla WoW. There isn’t the same need for community and dependence on others in wotlk. Regardless of RDF it isn’t going to happen. You’re clinging to a hindrance to try to recapture something that won’t happen again.
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If the community is garbage its going to bring its trash into RDF. You cant escape the smell of the dump by taking the least resistance path right into it.
That’s what Blizz is telling you. Accept it or don’t.
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Note: You’re expecting the cOmMunItY that desire RDF to be leaving the game. There’ll be a large population to experience the game as it was intended by the classic developers.
If you want RDF, you’re free to stop playing…
Despite this, I fully expect to see everyone crying about RDF to later be rocking a level 80 in classic 
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Ya know… What you’re saying could be true, and should be true if Blizzard enforced their rules, but because they don’t the credit card warriors invalidate your argument entirely and as a result RDF actually becomes a solution to the RMT nightmarish situation that WoW has become.
Will RDF entirely kill RMT? No, but it will wound leveling services in turn making the game more… Played than the joke it is now with all the coiners paying literal real money to level and gear…
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It’s always a bit amusing when people make this old, silly argument “LOL, you’re not quitting. See you on launch day!”
You realize that this game once had 12 million subs and now is maybe 1 million…if they’re lucky. Meaning, millions and millions of players did in fact quit. And your little troll statement is merely that.
As far as the earlier part of your post…I couldn’t care less what the classic developers intend. I care what 2008-2010 Blizzard intended. You know, the people who made the most successful, most popular mmo in history. It’s probably a good idea to follow their blueprint, not 2022 Blizzard’s that is a pale shadow of its former self.
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i’m okay with losing some players who don’t want to be here.
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It’s not an argument, but a statement.
Again, if they’re not happy with the game without RDF, they’re more than welcome to quit.
I even linked the way into deleting an account.
With this; there will be many of these players crying to the developers over the RDF decision (it’s not a democracy!), who will still be playing, despite empty threats of quitting.
What does that even mean? Don’t want to be here? They don’t want to be here because they want Wrath, not Retail Wrath?
And if you think it’s a few, you’re in for a surprise. It’s going to be SoM levels of failure.
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