For all the talk about “community” in Classic, I’ve seen multiple streamers quit playing Classic mainly due to that same “community”
Even that “Metrohaha” forums MVP guy is back on retail now pushing keys and playing alts. He’s cited the Classic “community” multiple times on-stream in his decision to come back to retail (as well as the mind-numbing grindyness of it all). He also mentioned how Classic drove a wedge in some of his friendships, because some of those friends started making fun of him for “still playing retail lul” (or something along those lines).
Apparently a decent % of the Classic community turned out to be toxic/immature/etc, so a good number of streamers are back on retail now. It’s been a while since I’ve seen some of these streamers playing Classic on-stream. I’ve even seen Asmongold (of all people ) playing retail lately, it seems like the “honeymoon phase” is coming to an end.
I actually have been really enjoying the giant raid size of Classic. My classic guild has a solid 40 man team and it just is fun to play with that many people.
I think I missed the camaraderie of a raid team more than anything else. My guild struggled to get the minimum 10 for Uldir Heroic and eventually we stopped altogether.
Meanwhile on Classic we sometimes have to sit people for MC if they logged in slow.
That said though coming back to retail and playing AV made me remember why I loved this game for so long. I am really enjoying myself playing AV, leveling some toons and even working on getting the Horde campaign finished so I can unlock Mag’har and Zandalari trolls!
BfA and Classic both are for and not for me. There are aspects of both that are far superior than the other and compel me to play for different reasons. I’m not into competitive play anymore so Mythics and rated PvP aren’t things I do. However, there’s a lot of old content for a returnee like me to experience. Things like transmog and, of all things, inventory sorting/consolidation are big plusses in my book. Unfortunately, the gear treadmill, RNG, and WQ make for an extremely unmotivating experience.
Classic, on the other hand, has a slower pace and set end. I’m the kind of player who appreciates having specific items to work toward. I’ll run the same dungeon as many times as I need to get something I want; especially if I know it’s not going to be obsolete in a month or so. Knowing that there’s a set end point in Classic lets me make that list of stuff while also being able to relax getting it as I know it’s not going away.
Most importantly to me, while BfA may be beautiful, Classic Azeroth still has soul. There’s some intangible quality about the world in Classic that keeps me wanting to be in it. Retail hasn’t had that for a long time. I still get chills when I hear certain strains of music in MC or Ashenvale. I don’t get that in BC onward.
I like to craft. In many ways that’s my endgame. Even though sitting in one place leveling fishing for hours is the same, for some reason it’s more compelling in Classic. However; flying makes gathering and getting to fishing locations sooooo muxh better; I’m looking at you Bay of Storms!
As for the communities? Both have their jerks and nice people. They’re just elite about different things. Sadly, I think the decade of private servers created a community that is highly competitive, elitist, and just plain toxic. Even though they’re the ones who caused Classic to be a thing, they’re also ruining the greater community.
If we could have the old world with new graphics and many of the QoL improvements, Classic would be a near perfect game. The converse could be said about Retail too.
It’s a different game and one that exists as a type of museum. I got to around level 47 before stopping on a Priest. Doesn’t really seem to be much of a point to Classic other than trying to get better gear or pvp’ing.
I quit BfA about a month after it released. I resubbed for classic and poured waaay too many hours into it. After about the 4 or 5th Rag kill I realized there’s nothing I wanted to do until the next raid. I reinstalled retail just to see what it was like after binging on classic for the last 15 days /played. I expected it to be the same trash I quit over a year ago. But I have to admit, I’m having a ton of fun. BfA isn’t as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Now I just raid log in classic and all my free time is spent in BfA.
I think you’re lying there. You’re seriously going to tell me that everyone you came across in the open world was a saint and wouldn’t try to steal something from you?
‘gets kicked for rolling on a pair of cloth boots as a warlock against a priest healer’
“You are officially blacklisted good luck ever seeing a raid now lol”
Classic players bad mouth retail players way way way more. Oh the irony after 3 months it now classic turn. I remember the whole year ago, all you get is spam retail are trash blah blah blah. Now look at them pitiful.
People haven’t figured out that the core difference of the games is retail provides you with an illusion of a world of content to do, but when you’re not on the treadmill anymore it boils down to precisely what Classic has. Doing weekly obligations like raiding for gear to get any upgrades. The only difference between the two being Classic presents you with an actual world to engage with whereas retail only ever will be as big as the latest content patch.
Plus they’re trying to compare Classic which at the moment offers you MC and Onyxia, then the ranking system as opposed to retail which has slightly more content. Classic doesn’t get particularly active until Phase 4 when ZG is every 3 days, BWL, MC and Onyxia are all on the table. By the time Naxxramas rolls around you’re still actively doing the old content because there are really powerful drops like Drake Fang Talisman, Renataki Trinkets, Skill Books in AQ20, etc.
Until you realize that the majority of the people complaining about Classic are people who never were going to stick around. You’ll get better arguments actually looking at those of us who have played every serious Classic server project since they began getting serious around 2010 and why we are still in love with the game as much now as back then as opposed to people who played it because it was the trendy thing at the time.
Which is something I said from the beginning would happen, you’d have servers flooded with tourists who would leave and retail players would desperately cling to that to prop up their inaccurate line of thinking that Classic would be dead in a month. But even if Classic were to hypothetically die tomorrow mysteriously, three months is a lot more mileage than most people have gotten with recent expansions for WoW. WoD in its first quarter lost half of its players before they quit reporting sub numbers. Legion I noticed significantly less people playing after its second month and the game never really picked back up people until 7.3. BFA now is noticeably dead no matter what hour I play on, very few groups actively being formed, PvP is pretty much entirely dead. Classic? Thriving on Faerlina, can’t speak for other servers.
At which point it comes to “Well content drought, wait for the new patch!” And what do you think Classic is doing? We’ve got BGs around the corner, we’ve got BWL coming, ZG very shortly after that, then AQ shortly after that.
The question is though, what would you bring back with you from classic to retail? What mechanics or traits would you want bliz to put back into retail to bring back the old world feel but meld with the easier QoL addition should we have now?
Personally I liked having to train my abilities and weapons, as well as the skill tree. I like having different attributes mean something again also.
When you’re level 60 and reasonably geared, with all there’s left to do but get more gear, do you really have much reason to care about Feralas?
When you’ve got all of those, the only thing that really matters would be Naxx, and if you’re unable to get in there because of time constraints, server politics, etc, all there’s left to do is to accept your place as below those who are actually geting to do them.
I like Retail because there’s always something new to look forward to, and because I’m always able to count on being able to participate in the present day for the most part.
As someone who actually plays on Faerlina and fought with the guy a ton while he was leveling and in my way let me explain to you the predicament with Asmongold. The Classic community has always hated the guy because he went from videos when he was commenting on Nostalrius Streamers getting shutdown when they had over 100 viewers as “rose tinted.” and referring to those of us on private servers as pirates. To when Nostalrius was actually shutdown deciding he was going to become the “Hero of Classic WoW” and actively began trying to talk about how great the game was.
Yet from his speaking you could tell the guy knew next to nothing, it got even more evident after he got into the beta when he was confused seeing half the items in the game like Sapper Charges or how many people had engineering. The guy gave every canned argument for Classic that people who never actually played the game would give but when you ask them for elaboration they can’t add anything to it.
Fast forward to the server and at 60, any item he so much as looked at in MC he got to have. The guy had no skill, no talent, no brain and yet he was probably fully geared faster than anyone on the server gated only by RNG on his items dropping because he never had to compete with another player for something he wanted. His fans gave him thousands of gold worth of items and raw gold alone, he never had to farm for consumables, he never had to farm for items and straight up got given his Cloudkeeper Leggings from a fan ENTIRELY FREE. His epic mount? Fans funded. So he never got to enjoy the whole feeling of hard work actually paying off which was what defined a lot of the Classic experience. He didn’t get an item and get the same feeling you’ll ever get when you get it first in a loot council guild, because it means you just have proven yourself more worthy than the other contenders for the item and are a valued asset of your guild. He got them because he is Asmongold, nothing more.
So now he gets tired of his warrior being fully geared, so he makes a warlock. It gets mobtagged and dungeon carried by his fans and had epic items for every slot by the time he was level 58 and openly bragged about it on stream. He had more gear on a character that couldn’t equip the damn items than most warlocks in the entirety of the servers have having raided since the first or even second week of the release.
World PvP comes, he gets stomped because shocker, his guild is full of trash, then he makes a sob story about how he isn’t having fun anymore after he sat in dungeons talking crap to the Horde and swatting a hornet’s nest and they came back at him with action.
No duh he got tired. He was never into Classic and is just as much of a sham as Staysafe and Tipsout.
If you really take your point face value like it’s meant to, that means stop playing wow and move on. It’s all in the past and everything you’ve done before stays there. No longer repeating things you love, doing things that entertain you or enjoying any old game for that matter.
And you had 25 people agree with that bad thought.
Yes, because it’s full of pvp activity, I still run Dire Maul to help people gear up their characters, I run North every week for tribute buffing, I go there to fish up Firefin Snapper.
Congrats on completely ignoring the last part of the post where I stated you would still be running those for items. Sure you don’t need tier anymore, but you still need Thunderfury bindings, you still need Accurias, you still need Striker’s Marks, you still need enchants if you can get them. That’s just in MC.
BWL you’re actively after the class trinkets on most classes like Lifegiving Gem, Venomous Totem, Drake Fang Talisman (universal), you’re still after Nefarian Heads, you’re still after tier items there because the tier out of BWL for a lot of classes is actually decent. Lok’amir still very good as well. Hunters love Ashkandi.
ZG, Hakkar Hearts, Edge of Madness trinkets, some random high ticket items of varying degree like Mandokir offhand which is your best offhand until you get a Maladath from BWL which is incredibly uncommon. You constantly need the enchants which at phase 5 constantly requires your guild still going in for at least Jindo and Mandokir for Idols so you get the 2nd BiS enchants available to most classes and you need two of them per gear upgrade, in addition to some materials like Blood of Heroes you need to actively engage with EPL to find.
AQ40 still relevant due to its wealth of powerful weapons like Ancient Qiraji Ripper, Death’s Sting, Dark Edge of Insanity, tier isn’t that bad out of their either if your guild is still constantly fighting over Naxxramas tokens.
Yeah that’s about the only benefit it has is new content. Like a raid where only two bosses are ever going to be difficult outside of Mythic, even then difficulty comes mostly with the last 4-5 unless your guild is laughably bad. Went to Mythic raiding briefly in Dazar’alor again, my guild trashed the first four bosses and I just couldn’t take it anymore. It was pitiful seeing us trash four bosses in a single day without any difficulty on the first three. Opulence took a few attempts but that was it for me. In Antorus my guild steamrolled everything until we got to Aggramar where it effectively disbanded.
Sure can’t wait for them to use the same borrowed system from 5.3 though. New content zone, farm an arbitrary material doing simple tasks, buy gear tokens, gear up and hop right into the next raid where only a quarter of the bosses present any challenge in Heroic and watch it still get nerfed because people struggle on Normal.
You mean like dailies? Which have been a part of WoW for how long now? The only difference is now they are World Quests and I don’t have to clutter my log with them every day.
Sure, some people try to AFK in LFR, they usually get kicked immediately. I’d rather have AFKers in LFR than the 15 minute “brb going to take a smoke” tank in BFD who holds they entire group up, yet there is no means to kick / replace so everyone just sits and waits.
Not playing actually until vulpera releases. My sub runs out soon if not already, so I likely will be unable to post on the forum soon. Maybe I’ll resub just to chat with you fine people.
I play both. They are two different games at this point. This whole thing about pitting one against the other (including the communities) is absolutely asinine. We are all the same group of geeks and nerds playing video games. You really going to resort to “My video game is better than yours”? That is seriously the most lame thing. EVER.
) playing retail lately, it seems like the “honeymoon phase” is coming to an end.