I read it. It was good and I agree with the NB going Horde. I’m just saying Blizz could have fleshed it out more
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Sure I have, simply by disagreeing with you. What you have been unable to do this entire thread is prove that Elune believes undeath outside of her raising them would be considered an abomination.
Additionally, now you’re intentionally ignoring lore and nor responding to it proving you wrong about how the Night Elves could welcome the undead and still revere Elune:
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People take things far to personal.
You make a thread about a topic that divides the story forums, and base your arguments on emotion. Then when you get disagreement - you call it trolling.
You make statements - but call a reasoned lore based counter argument a lie or a bullying tactic.
I have not seen many rude comments here. Merely lore points.
A statement like this begs to be challenged:
You admit that is pure opinion based on your understanding of lore - but you do not prove it wrong.
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Nightborne were never gonna join the Nelves or ally with them in the longterm. They’re too invested in the arcane, live cushy lives, are more haughty than the average elf and were rebuked by Tyrande. They got along swimmingly with the Belves who basically embody everything they stand for. Even if Nelves did help them take back Suramar, they were destined to take the quick and easy path via the Horde.
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It’s all the Light.
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There are Zandalari Paladins.
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I am just going to respond to you because you’re the only one being reasonable.
I don’t like how Blizzard is homogenizing everything, to the point where their own cosmology chart can be brought into question now. But that seems to be the way of things, and now that Paladins are using Loa Magic now… nothing is really unique anymore. Which is why I so animatly reject the idea of the Kaldorei being aplogetic for the Undead, because it’s more of that homogenized BS that we have been getting.
To be fair, as you are the one who is not being reasonable I’m not going to respond to you any more, either, since clearly you’re wrong and don’t want to admit it.
One last parting lore piece, as even at the end of the Darkshore Warfront Maiev still doesn’t want to kill Sira, and reveres Elune:
- Maiev Shadowsong yells: How can you side with the Horde, sister? How can you abandon justice?
Maiev Shadowsong yells: This is your last warning, Sira. In Elune’s name, stand down!
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It has nothing to do with reasonability. She’s found a roadblock with facts that can’t be disproven.
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The Nightborne going Horde makes the most sense after the drama that went on before the end of the raid on Nighthold. In legion Tyrande that immediately decided to burn bridges when she met them, while it was Liadrin treated them with respect.
In Regards to the Void Elves, yeah they are crap. Think Alleria leading those Void-purged Krokul would have made more sense and we would have gotten playable Broken finally, but Blizz decided that each faction needs the same amount of elves because reasons.
Think what would have lessened the crappyness of Velf lore is if they were High Elves from that one lodge that Nathanos attacked way back when, and they had a racial ability to switch between Velf and Helf form like Worgen can switch to human form in non-combat. It would make more sense them them being super-duper traitors to the Blood elves, and The annoying Tolkien fanboys would get their High elves…
…but with their goal being to retake Silvermoon despite Alleria’s knowledge about what happens when a void-chugger gets near the Sunwell, they’re still crap and don’t really make any sense to me outside of becoming trash mobs in a Void-Lord themed expac.
(Which most of the Krokul could have fit in without the crappyness)
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I don’t deny the part Tyrande played in forcing the Nightborne to the Horde, I just think it was stupid. This is Tyrande’s home town. Thalyssra and Tyrande could have known each other way back when, perhaps even as child.
Oh man, that would have been cool lore. Tyrande’s ciritcalness on the Nightborne’s reliance on magic makes sense to me. What doesn’t make sense is the Alliance outright rejecting them for it, or Thalyssra feeling so entitled to magic to take personal offense from Tyrande’s concerns.
I think that story, at the very least, deserved a more in-depth story. As it stands now, Horde Nightborne feel forced, Void Elves came out of no where, and Night Elf players and left feeling left out.
You’re not exactly hard to disprove, Treng. And I already have disproved you.
You know the saying “The father a society strays from truth, the more outraged they’ll express when it is spoken.” ?
Sounds like someone I know.
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Oh the irony…
The biggest mystery is why they’re so bad. The Nightborne I masqueraded with during Legion had a great model.
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This was retconned.
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I grant you physically, thought they look to me to be somewhere between the two.
But I don’t see how anyone can argue with a straight face that the Nightborne are culturally closer to Night Elves than Blood Elves.
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Where did they do that? chronicles?
Their culture is built around magic and that is so anti NE I don’t understand how they could seem more culturally NE. They don’t really seem like keepers of nature.
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I agree with everything except for what’s bolded. Tyrande remained in character and the Nightborne fit with the Horde very well. If anything, Blizz should have pushed the beef to an even further degree, maybe with Tyrande sending in Nightelves trying to scavenge the city for any Elune related relics extra salt in the wound after they lost the Nightwell ,then Thalyssra finding out and banishes the Alliance city for good.
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Chronicle 1 vaguely does it on page seventy. But there are probably some semantic arguments they existed in some form pre-Titan.
The fount of Azeroth’s arcane lifeblood accelerated the cycles of growth and rebirth. Before long, sentient beings evolved from the land’s primitive life-forms. Among the first and most prolific were the trolls, a race of savage hunter-gatherers who flourished in Azeroth’s jungles and forests.
However, the Legion lore book on G’Hanir is more explicit.
In Azeroth’s ancient days, natural life never had a chance to emerge due to the horrifying reign of the Old Gods. Without help, nature would not have risen at all. The titans knew this. One of their final acts of aid for us was to give the keepers the knowledge and power to reverse the Old Golds’ unspeakable destruction. In time, nature would rise. Life would flourish. Generations of plants and animals would grow and change. This miraculous recovery did not come from any one place. But at the beginning, there was a source of healing and balance, a place where all life could rest and revive. It was called G’Hanir, the Mother Tree.
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I thought they made it so that the titans created them or something. But it seems like trolls still are natural to azeroth.
Ya know, I think this about the Void Elves. Like they were exiled for something that arguably should be fine for BEs. Then they turn into diehard alliance fanatics. They didn’t do much to set up them as BE who hate the horde or anything that I recall.
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