Frost dk might be saved!

It didnt. If KM procs are anywhere near the level it is now in TWW then you still wouldnt want to press Frost Strike outside of just keeping up some maintenance buffs. Then you had Shattering Blade playing into it.

Frost has been the Dk spec that is more efficient with Runic Power.

There were say too many KM procs anyways and KM procs wouldnt be wasted if Frost Strike could also consume them. Would make DW feel much better as well since getting partial crits on Frost Strike sucks compared to pre-legion design.

Icecap should just be removed. It just desyncs stuff too much now.

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They can’t; their head is so far up there that they’ll never see any light ever. They believe that because they suggested things that were implemented that it’s “their idea” being implemented.

By that literal logic, if we go purely by forum suggestions, I have a much better batting average than them, and even then I’m not delusional to say “these were my ideas”.

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Over a 20% increase almost across the board on strikes should really drill home how absolutely toxic ramp buffs of this magnitude are.

Just for the sake of discussion (math is to make a point only) let’s say you cast 10 oblits and pop pillar on the 6th cast. Damage instances of 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20 has an average oblit hit for 12.

That same scenario is 8*1.23 = 9.84 with the changes. So if you pillar on the 6th cast and get something like 9.84, 9.84, 9.84, 9.84, 9.84, 13.50, 13.50, 13.50, 13.50, 13.50 (assuming still ~ 4 increase after you cast pillar) for an average of 11.67.

You’re slightly less effective at the end of the 10 casts BUT, you deal an additional 10.7 in the initial 5 globals. Pressure is sustained and your weakness to CC at the end of your pillar window is drastically reduced. It also reduces the window that a DR cooldown can clip the end of your damage window’s efficiency - which further skews the math.

You’re almost squeezing in an extra damage event every 4-5 globals with the proposed changes. That’s nuts that pillar was impacting us to that degree.

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You are correct what do you know

The 20% increase covers maybe half the actual damage that Icecap-Pillar contained.

I’m currently down about 25% still from last week. Tuning hasn’t happened of course, but a 23% damage buff requires another 20%~ buff to equalize that missing power.

Essentially, ramping Pillar + Icecap would require almost a flat 50% damage boost to all abilities for Obliteration builds to be roughly 1:1.

But your point still stands about how clearly toxic the ramp is. Blizzard basically killed Crusade and the Unholy CDR talents so it’s good they’ve done the same for Frost.

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I’m hopeful the damage will be there after tuning passes. They have a couple months. Regardless the spec will feel more consistent even if the profile is a bit lower.

When you say you’re down, is it the same for aoe and ST?

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Just down across the board yea, but there hasn’t been any real tuning don’t yet and I’d rather there wasn’t any so they could focus on cleaning up the 20 & below gate.

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Something had to give in design. It was never going to continue down this road without some kind of backtrack somewhere. You cant just keep adding stuff to fix stuff or else you just get an overly complicated mess that is hard to balance which is the direction Frost was going.

It looks like maybe some beneficial tuning can actually happen to an extent. Its funny how many people have said they like Cata Frost DK over retail DK. Everything is impactful, Pillar windows + trinkets can close to double, sometimes triple the damage of abilities. No Frostreaper stuff going on, not a lot of damage sources. Its straight forward and to the point.

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This reminds me of the time when people were arguing that nfts were a really good investment, and me actually knowing something about economics and investments telling them that no actually, this is really bad and you shouldn’t buy it.

This was usually followed by something along the lines of: You’re just a boomer who doesn’t understand the market and live in the past.

Then when nfts eventually fizzled out, the same people said to me that “everyone knew that it was a bubble, you’re not smarter than us” This was all to avoid the shame of being wrong about something.

Guess what, i am smarter, as i actually have an idea of what’s going on, and im usually decently, if not really well informed about the subject i’m talking about, and this is the same.

There are a lot of people saying to me “those weren’t your ideas, you just copied it from someone else” Except where? Where are these people, i follow both the discords, and the forums, and i basically never saw them, is there the possibility that someone somewhere said the same thing as me? Most likely, was it everyone? No. Were there a few ideas from other people that i thought were legitimately good, yes, but not yours don’t worry.

In short it’s just people unwilling to admit that i was right, and that my track record of being right is pretty much perfect, as many of the changes that i suggested either made the spec where i suggested those things, more fun to play, or were just good for the game, like removing explosives, which was an awful affix, even though there were some people telling me that it wasn’t a problem… As usual i get my fair share of pushback for my “objectively” great ideas.

Am i saying am i smarter than you all? No, but actually… Yes.

And now, go cry me a river.

Bye bye.

I asked for more and man you delivered. Fantastic performance.

It’s either performance art or a lolcow in the wild. Love it.

“Am i saying am i smarter” claims to me smarter than everyone doesn’t capitalize the I and mixes word placement. Hilarious.

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I know, i tend to “deliver” that’s what i do.

You tend not to, which is a shame. For you that is.

Do you have anything actually intelligent to say or you’re just gonna leave it at that? No? Ok.

I mean id rather you say nothing than some garbage, frankly speaking.

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NFT’s was an easy market to call BS on. Just like Frost was easy to call that something was bound to burst because its going to end up in not being able to be balanced, especially against itself.

It was never going to continue. We can see what people like right now with old design and new design and soooo many more people are playing the old design and its performance compared to other specs is way worse than it is in DF.

Cause you were the only person in the whole wide world that thought they were bad…
lmao

get off your high horse dude.

No i won’t.

Maybe you should actually read.

Wow. Busted a gut at this one. Hilarious.

Guys posting from an account he doesn’t play to avoid people seeing his level of play or to ban evade. Claims to be the guy behind changes that loads of people have suggested and then to top it all off has the most R/Iamverybadass way of typing.

Man I said keep it coming and you delivered!

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You’re also hilarious.

The only difference is i have more style than you. If you try to s post, i can do it 10 times better than you.

If you wanna talk in a more serious manner i can also do it though. Your choice.

Well, i think this is a lost cause at this point. Let’s be real here.

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Oh man I knew it was a lost cause immediately. I’m just enjoying seeing you act like a 2014 reddit atheist.

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Your words mean a lot to me.

Thank you for this “conversation”.

Signed
Me

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Just stop replying to him for crying out loud. He hasnt really dont much of anything to help Frost at all. Most of the people on these forums havent actually helped Frost change for the better. Only now are things moving in the right direction after 2 years of listening to the same people ruin this spec, being harassed on twitter to make foolish changes and so on.

Just move on. I dont think people are going to flock to DK, but this stuff is at least an improvement. This “silent assassin” developer (thats what Max said the developer that got ahold of the DK class this go around is called) was having a poor showing to what was claimed he does. A lot of bad changes were being made with band-aid fixes for things that just needed to be fixed. Things were going to be fixed when balance was going to become a nightmare. If you cant balance something then design is the only place that is left to go and I think they were seeing that they werent going to be able to balance the spec so some design decisions had to be made. Pillar ramp isnt a fun thing and it can also cause balance issues.

I tank 99.9% of the time – have little experience with dps – but was trying to get up to speed with frost on the beta. Without this, do you just make peace with capping on RP during pillar windows or what? Saw mention in the DK feedback topic that the top build currently takes oblit and breath, is that just the meta now?

(Sidebar…is there a guide out there with a beta rotation/priority list?)