Yes, pls. A dual wielded BDK is what I have dreamt about
DW Blood is bad. I dont know what its with these forums that just want the opposite of how the class was designed like they know better than the devs.
My suggestion was to keep how the specs were designed while opening up transmog which is what the system is for in the first place.
It hasnât ever been done. Each item can only have one enchant and it has been that way for 20 years now.
There are ways to mimic a runeforge effect via buff or passive, and it would be nice to see new runeforges specific for two-handers that could address this.
None of that is a second Enchantment/Rune placed on a single weapon.
DW does feel a better fit for unholyâs disease and wounds, and I always felt blood dps should have been dual wield because of the theme of bleeding someone and vampiric celerity.
Sadly none is what they went with.
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QFT.
I want 2h to be close enough to dw that I can find information on how to play 2h frost (no BoS) as well as I can. Right now I am using the Icy Veins guide, which has some tips on 2h frost and lists a 2h weapon as an option in the bis list for each type of content.
For me personally, having a 2h weapon equipped (and only needing to find 1 weapon, not 2) is an important part of my identity as a frost DK. Some may prefer dw, but I want nothing to do with it personally. Both options should be available.
I donât disagree that 2H canât have an advantage without having a disadvantage of equal value, but consider:
What of the more than doubled AA rate of DW? Should it have to pick between that and a second Runeforge?
If the raw damage of each were equal, and both gave two Rune options, yet DW provides more than double the proc rates⊠What should 2H then have for parity against that?
Should the answer be just to amp the proc rates into irrelevance, removing that room for customization? Or, should one offer increased proc rates while the other offers a commensurate but distinct advantage?
As I have no real aesthetic preference between 2H and DW, I would slightly prefer the latter, as that allows me to thereby alter my gameplay slightly (as arguably Runeforge choice, if it were to be balanced into real choices, would/should). And Iâd prefer the same for UH and Blood.
Itâs fair to say this usually ruins games. Players donât know whatâs best.
Unfortunately for you, you werenât part of that group of which I was speaking. I guess I was talking about all of the people who DO want it. As youâll notice, I never said all people. Are you also saying you do not wish to refuel the glyph system? Those 2 things were lumped together. Your comparison is completely incorrect. Itâs like getting rid of 2h enhancement shaman, because DW worked better. No one is asking to remove specs, youâre just being overly dramatic.
Guides go over the best, but according to people on these forums 2h is only 3% behind DW so go play it.
And I dont want 2h to come with a detriment to how the spec is intended and designed to play. If 2h isnt good enough then its not good enough and people shouldnt be trying to make 2h into DW. If people want nothing to do with it then it should do nothing that DW does.
They are. Go play it.
The DW vs 2h crowd is overly dramatic and illogical if anything. Pot calling the kettle black. The whole idea that only one can exist is bonkers and narrow minded.
Havoc âworked betterâ than FDK last season. Much better. Should the devs have scrapped FDK or improved it? It is logically the same. It takes tuning and talent development on blizzards behalf. You do not like the way I am framing the issue because it exposes how ridiculous everyone is being over 2h.
One specific poster has made it a much bigger deal than it otherwise would have been. There probably would have been a few topics here with legitimate feedback but now there are these clown battles that go on for days⊠with one person, who doesnt even play, making 70% of the posts.
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make unholy the 2h spec, make frost the dw spec. that way loot is easier to manage for players, and tuning is easier on developers.
this is not my personal desire in the perfect world but we know it ainât perfect, this is simpler and probably more likely to have good results
And then you go to equate it to spec vs spec
They arent even remotely equivalent and its a terrible argument. DW and 2h frost are trying to occupy the same side of the coin while trying to do different things and you guys have been complaining since SL beta about 2h being behind. This is going into the 3rd expansion of your complaints even when you had a legendary propping up the weapon choice.
Realistically, this is like should Obliterate function and work differently within the same spec just based on your weapon choice? The answer is no, it shouldnt.
What is ridiculous is that you dont want the best solution because it comes from me, period. You wouldnt have to worry about this disparity at all and you get your aesthetic.
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Or, they could make Frost loot spec only drop 1h weapons. If you want 2h you do UH loot spec.
The tuning argument is an illogical copout. See my previous post.
Stop trying to take player agency away.
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blizzard track record of balancing different weapon types in the same spec is not good.
dw vs 2h frost issues persist alongside titanâs grip/smf
take a look at the warrior forum
they just canât balance it
it is easier to just simplify and move on
personally i prefer 2h because itâs just easier to gear for. that said i donât really care, just pick one and let us stop arguing about it expansion after expansion
Blizzards track record of balancing specs against each other is not good. Should we remove bad specs because it takes effort from blizzard to tune and develop them? It IS the exact same argument. Dumb.
It was literally perfectly balanced at the end of Dragon Flight lol.
Already gave you the simple solution to that. Gearing is incredibly easy now anyway so its not that big of a deal. Craft your weapons. Done.
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and with this knowledge you expect them to be able to balance even deeper within a single spec?
for once I agree with Kalliste that comparing spec vs spec (or class vs class) in this manner doesnât make much sense.
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What do you mean âdeeperâ lol. They literally have a tuning knob already. Just need to use it. Maybe go the whole extra mile and add FC to MotFC. What? your saying they can completely redo the FDK tree but not capable of adjusting MotFC damage or add modifiers to it?? What?
It makes perfect sense. It exposes the fact that it is not a dw vs 2h problem. Its a blizzard doing their job problem. Instead of arguing with each other and trying to take player agency away we might want to demand blizzard do their job instead. Providing Blizzard with a copout is hilarious to me.
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Iâm just being realistic. From a high level perspective the game has what, 36 specializations to balance? And if you want them to balance even further within one spec a weapon type issue then you can expect them to have even further difficulty balancing not only the weapon type within that spec, but the spec overall.
Like I said in a perfect world theyâd all be balanced and you should be able to play whichever you want and expect a balanced experience. But in all of my years playing this game I have learned you cannot expect that to actually happen.
Limiting the spec to one weapon type is objectively simpler and more likely to result in a balanced outcome for the spec overall. Even if you want to attribute that outcome to âblizzard [not] doing their jobâ, the end result ends up being the same.
This is shown historically in Titanâs Grip/SMF and 2h/dw frost arguments for YEARS.
Can we just⊠have each spec⊠hero spec⊠weapon spec⊠each having their own distinctive strengths and weaknesses what makes them fun first and then worry about balance?
Like I want my Remorseless Winter to apply Razorice when I am wielding a 2-handed sword since it and all other abilities can just naturally scale better when Dual-Wielding thanks to how it scales naturally.
I just think it would be nice⊠since⊠it lacking runeforge in all but being able to apply RI in an area was a strength that DW never had before.
Copout.
Shows how dumb people are.