This seems to come up a lot.
If it were to be fixed, how would you approach it?
Take the easy route and remove 2h or dual weild from the spec and simplify the balancing?
Medium difficulty: Do the above and allow a transmog option for or 2h to dual weild or vice versa
High difficulty: do what monk devs have come really darn close to and balance the 2?
oh boy this topic again. ill go get the popcorn
Fair point, I personally wouldn’t have issue with either of the three, but levelling my monk I noticed how balance 2h vs dual weild was and dk came to mind
to my knowledge monk doesn’t have a ton of auto attack based proc abilities. something frost has in excess and as a core component of the spec. this makes it much more difficult to balance due to how certain substats will scale and the fact that dual wield more than triples the number of natural autos compared to 2h.
Why is this topic still coming up?
These threads have been coming up since SL beta.
The absolute best option for all classes is to just remove 2h and open up transmog. If people want to make 2h like DW then what was the point of this entire failed experiment? We already have DW, it already does all the things. Just play the intended way and tell Blizzard they should open up transmog options for everyone. That means get rid of SMF as well.
That could even mean that specs like arms could transmog to 1 1h if they wanted to. Transmog was always the solution.
Nope I like my 2h not taking it away
Transmog is absolutely not an option. To fix this, they need to change the way auto-attacks and some class mechanics work. It’s not like this issue affects just Frost DK. Warriors and Shaman are also quite vocal about this, not to mention a handful of others.
For all the players telling people to deal with it, remember that Blizzard has a history of caving to player demands. That’s why we have targetable Shadow Crash and Earthquake now. Also, for the love of Garona, rogues are finally getting mostly passive Slice N Dice. Don’t give up the fight brothers.
DW for a Death Knight is just wussy.
See, these people above me is why nothing will improve. The spec already went through a player lull because of people like that. They are a detriment to the overall health of the spec and they don’t like that Frost is a DW spec.
Transmog is the best option. That’s what should have happened in the first place but it’s the “transmog isn’t an option” that led to the low representation of the spec.
Transmog would solve everything.
I had Blood DPS taken away and the 2H Frost taken away. That was when I quit DK for long while.
But I’d maybe be OK with being forced to DW if I could do double 2H like fury.
So you played suboptimally. How is that anyone else’s problem exactly?
Blood was more of a tank spec than anything in Wrath it’s just that it could DPS. The specs were designed with a primary function while being able to do a secondary function. Blood was tank and Frost was DW DPS primarily that could swap a role if needed.
How do we know this is how DK was designed? Well from looking at the talent trees for one and blood having many more defensive talents, and then looking at the experiment that was taking place admitted to by Blizzard. They were seeing if you could do another role with the spec you like to play if it would boost tank numbers. It didn’t but if it did then they were going to look into making other specs able to tank like fury and ret for example.
The experiment failed and they took the secondary role away from these specs. 2h Frost and the split in Frosts spec was a failure so it was removed. 2h was only on par with DW once and that was when the spec was bad overall and early in an expansion.
At this point all that 2h is is a look and it’s a self nerf. If you want to play something suboptimally then fine, go for it, but don’t go around expecting Blizzard to make it as good or better than the intended gameplay. The spec even says that the preferred weapons are dual one handed weapons. If those aren’t the preferred weapons then the spec is just a trap.
If something isn’t working most of the time it’s better to get rid of it.
Stop going on about Transmog. Nobody is asking for Transmog except people who don’t really care about this in the first place. I strongly prefer DW myself but I see no reason why we can’t have both as viable options. Like I said earlier, Blizzard has a history of making this kind of stuff happen eventually. If anything, we need more 2H topics. When Blizzard finally listens, everyone will win. We won’t have to whine anymore and you won’t have to whine about our whining.
No, transmog is the perfect solution for this entire nonsense and it always has been.
Blizzard spent 2 expansions on 2h, so what you are suggesting already happened. It didn’t work and 2h isn’t going to be as good as what the spec was designed to be.
Quit with this nonsense and just make it a transmog option like it should have always been.
My post has 7 likes and yours has zero. The people have spoken.
Frost was the tank aspect, then. Blood DPS was good especially in pvp. Every spec was built to either DW or2h.
Blizz completely reversed the design philosophy of DK, and pissed off a lot of players. Some of us are still pissed. I had 2 completely viable and fun specs I played as main pulled out from under me.
2h frost is fun again in PvP. Yay
IDC about a handful of percentage points on a sim of some silly dance.
Particularly with DK, which had DW/2H choice as a major class design aspect. For all the specs.
So what? Congrats, a bunch of people share a bad idea.
Frost was not the tank aspect. I do not know where you get this from because the Frost tree had 3 talents dealing with tanking while blood had like 8.
And no, each spec was not built to do either DW or 2h. You could do it, but arms could DW as well doest make it a DW spec.
Death Knight was an experiment in Wrath. If you are still pissed after 15 years because you have this delusion of how DK was designed then that is a YOU problem. That’s unhealthy and really you shouldn’t be giving advice to Blizzard or anyone and you should be in therapy.
Kind of funny how Blood DPS and Tank Frost or even 2h Frost was rarely played in Wrath Classic and if you did play them you were trolling. Even with Shadowmourne you didn’t go Blood DPS or 2h Frost lol. You guys feed yourselves this false reality for no one knows why. Why are you so afraid of reality?
This is why they changed it because people did not understand the system,
Yes blood spec with frost aspect was the tank meta set up, but you could also tank in frost or unholy as long as you had frost aspect up.
It’s also why I liked playing blood/blood because I had good damage and self sustain and I could swap to frost aspect in combat if i need to jump in to off tank adds or if something went bad.
Death Knights were designed to be able to tank or dps with any of the three specs. That was one of the big selling points from the very beginning. If you disagree then you are factually incorrect. Yes, they eventually designated Blood as the only option for tanking but it wasn’t that way for a while.
I don’t know what to tell you Kelliste. You’re coming into a wish/suggestion topic and telling people not to wish or suggest. That’s horrible advice because, historically, Blizzard often caves to player demand. Are you suggesting people stop pushing for change because a lone troll says they should? Your opinion is unpopular because it is bad, not because everyone here is stupid.
If you’re just trolling, which it seems like you might be from your post history, well played. If you’re serious, then I’ll just let you continue to make a fool of yourself.