You could also flip it and say its a 2H spec wit a band aid DW spec that no one ever liked.
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Revert the pre patch nerfs and 2H will feel amazing. Felt great on beta then they kicked it in the nuts.
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Plenty of people enjoy or prefer dual wield. Theyâre no less (or more) valid than people who prefer 2h.
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Thatâs a bit of a stretch. The 3 DK specs were designed around the âpick your poisonâ style where you could tank/dps as DW/2H for any of your choices. Nerves of Steel and Threat of Thassarian were always native to Frost. Might wasnât added until Cataclysm. Even Shadowmourne wasnât really good for Frost and more of a Blood DPS thing.
2h Frost shouldnât be bad but, contrary to popular belief, it has literally never been the focus of the Frost spec.
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Just because you had options, doesnt mean those options were good. Back in wrath you could play blood with a perma pet. You could do it, it was an option, but it was absolutely garbage. You could enchant your weapons with Cinderglacier and Lichborne if you wanted to, you could go petless unholy. Just because its an option does not mean its a good option or that it should be in the game.
You havent even been a part of the conversation, and about 1/3 of your overall posts have been about me.
I never seen a 2h frost in Wrath. Not once. Did they exist? Sure. But they werent common, they werent the majority, heck even new players that thought if you were that spec you had to be in that presence didnt play 2h frost. The spec in itself and the talents would have told anyone that it was a DW focused spec.
And yes, weapon choice should be a moot point and why I said for about a year to focus on the spec and not the weapon. Did that happen though? No and now everone, their grandparents, and their dog is complaining about it. Its all it is. No one has one thing nice to say about the spec and people are just throwing stuff against the wall hoping someone else likes the idea which lead us to this cobbled designed mess of a spec that you guys are constantly complaining about.
You could say that, but you would be entirely wrong. Its a DW spec, the mechanics of the spec have favored DW since Wrath. Thats 7 expansions, all of them, where the mechanics have favored DW. But lets just remove Legion and BFA since you didnt have that option. Thats 5 expansions and some of those expansions DW didnt get ANYTHING in terms of power. All it had was ToT because it went from a spell type of spec to a strike type of spec within the same expansion. Cata DW got nothing while Might was introduced for 2h because it was behind and even with might it was still behind, MoP, all that DW got was some extra Frost Strike damage while 2h got increased Obliterate damage and melee damage which was a lot of the spec and it was still behind, WoD was the same design, then 2h was removed because it was behind constantly and it actually got some focus since wrath. Good for 2 expansions and now everyone is complaining again.
Should 2h be bad? Like Siek said, no it shouldnt. But not facing reality does not bring good feedback or ideas when you are trying to make something a part of the spec. Ignoring the mechanics of DW and what it does better does not mean 2h is going to magically be good if you just throw a damage band aid on it.
Fix the problems, dont beat around the bush like people did this expansion, and get it done. DW has more KM procs, 2 runeforges, half crits since 2 of the primary attacks of the spec each have their own hit and own rolls so you can get half crits with them.
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No one is going to read it or can you not read? Kek.
So you are the arbiter of what other people do? Got it, ill consult with you next time im going to post something since you know what other people are going to do. Is there a fee or are you just going to do it out of the kindness of your heart?
That Troll Kelliste is still trying to push the narrative that Frost was always a DW spec?
One final time for the record
Threat of Thessarian (the thing that made DW work at all) wasnât added until 3.2 and DW still sucked until it got 10% extra offhand damage along with some general Frost buffs in patch 3.3.3 almost 5 months after ICC launched. Does anybody else remember the fact that 1h weapons back then didnât have Strength on them unless they were for tanks? All of the weapons with Crit/Haste/Hit/Expertise were Agility. Every Strength based 1h had Parry or Defense Rating with whatever other stat. Not only that, but DWing still didnt have as much stats as a 2h. So not only did you have less general stats, but you completely missed out on your main stat on your weapons. But Frost was made specifically for DW right? What a joke of an argument.
Prior to ToT being added, DW had literally ONE talent to increase offhand weapon damage and the Strikes only used the mainhand. DW wasnât even a thing for the entire first tier of Wrath and it wasnât a half decent option until many months after people already had Shadowmourne and specced Unholy or Blood dps anyway.
The devs explicitly stated prior to Cata that keep 2H Frost was a priority for DK design since they took away Blood dps.
So no, Frost was never a DW focused spec until Legion. By the devs own words, keeping 2H Frost was something they went out of their way to do. How successful they were in that regard is irrelevant in this context.
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Umm, Dual wield was dominant in Naxx aka first raid tier in Wrath. Everybody who cared about dps switched to a mix of frost and unholy to maximize procs. Dual wield DKs doing twice everybody damage using the two blades from Malygos because the rime procs were on attacks not procs per minutes. The damage level was broken as all get out. The nerf hammer came in 3.08 which nerfed dual wield to the ground with the change to procs per minute on rime increased cooldown on Howling blast etc.
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That was a broken spec that was never meant to exist, hence why it got killed right away after people figured it out.
By your logic you could claim DW Unholy was a thing because it existed in Early Cata thanks to the proc rate of Sudden Doom being tied to weapon speed. But just like the early DW Hybrid spec from Wrath, DW Unholy got killed off almost immediately as it wasnât supposed to exist.
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Actually, they waited until after all world and most server first kills in Naxx well over three months. Most teams stacked dual wield Dks. I remember running it for our server first kill. But yeah there was no doubt it was the most over powered spec ever.
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It was a spec that was never meant to exist.
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Lvl 80 Naxx (and Malygos, and Sartharion) was cleared in 3 days. They werenât waiting for the WFR, they just didnât have the technical setup for things like hotfixes yet.
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I was gonna say I thought Naxx was cleared within 48 hours of people hitting level cap.
ThisâŚjust all of this. Thank you for stating it clearly for that fail DK mouthpiece.
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Honestly 2% sounds like absolute trash and an extremely boring way to try and balance things.
I would have loved to see some synergies between skills/talents added 
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Real talk: The anti-DW talks is just like the anti-2h talksâŚthey do nothing except holding pissing contests over which way is the ââ""""âREALâ""""""" way to play a basement spec.
All people want is Frost to be playable, regardless if its 2h or DW. At this point in time, its a null spec.
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Think heâs talking about OG Naxx in vanilla, Wrath Naxx was a joke and got clapped after 48 hours as you said.
The 2% is garbage. no doubt about it. Maybe it will âslightlyâ help in PvP but It is not going to change anything really⌠Frost will still be the same. Hopefully they will increase it before tomorrow⌠If they donât its a disappointment. Funny how they give Sin a 8% buff when they already got a damage buff a few weeks but give frost a measly 2% lol⌠at least they are showing some interested in Frost instead of ignoring it. Thatâs the only positive thing I can thing of
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