From Classic to Live servers

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

It’s Blizzards. And if they want to listen to us, tough, deal with it, just like how I’ll have to deal with it if they never decide to make any changes.

Maybe you should take your own advice and listen to what Blizzard has said. And if you have, you don’t seem to be dealing with it very well.

You’re clearly relatively new to Blizzard then. They NEVER deal with absolutes. Their intention is to not make changes, but if they agree with input, they might decide they want to. They’ve turned around on many things that they said they weren’t going to do.

So your definition of ‘I’ll have to deal with it’ is never accepting it and constantly asking for changes?

[Jelyck-magtheridon (Jelyck)]

THE ONLY relation Retail and Classic will share, is the sub cost. They already stated that allowing items into BFA ruins the prestige of hard earned gear for players playing in Retail. Besides, it completely surprises me just how much retailers want to shoot themselves in the foot by ruining retail even more than it already is. Transferring items from Classic to retail - is a bad idea all around.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

But this thread is proof that the only people who should ever have to settle are the ones that want any changes.

This is correct. Certain UI changes and server stability changes are fine, but the kind of changes you are asking for makes Classic a non-starter for a lot of people.

And what you dealt with for decades was responses to blizzard repeated saying that they want to but physically can’t.

“You think you do, but you don’t” J. Allan Brack, Blizzcon… some year.

Totally sounds like Blizzard saying “We want to, but we just can’t.”

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Why? Because we want an authentic vanilla?
Because we don’t want changes that go against vanilla?

No, because of you how respond.

So we’re supposed to have the same discussion we had just last week.
With an op who has no post history, who joined, posted, and left?
With an op who violated forum rules?

By the way. How come you don’t call the live player base toxic? They do the same thing you accuse us of.

Here’s an idea, just don’t respond.

Seriously, if you were almost immediately told you’re not welcome, would even bother defending your point?

And no, I want classic, but dude, some things sucked about classic. And as someone who pays the same exact $15/month as you, I’m allowed to give my opinion too. Sorry, but classic is not your personal server. It’s Blizzards. And if they want to listen to us, tough, deal with it, just like how I’ll have to deal with it if they never decide to make any changes. But this thread is proof that the only people who should ever have to settle are the ones that want any changes.

And what you dealt with for decades was responses to blizzard repeated saying that they want to but physically can’t. When something is an impossibility, maybe stop? And it was always the same thing, we are all anti-social, we all only want to rush through everything, we all only want instant rewards, none of us can handle a challenge. You understand that every attack you make on live’s community is an attack on us, right? But no, you were all the good guys the entire time.

Step back and look at what your community did to contribute to its treatment. I’m not saying the people on live weren’t bad too, I’m just saying that NO side was innocent.

And no, we literally had people from retail laughing at anyone who wanted classic. Stop pretending it was just blizzard.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

[Hypexclassic-moon-guard (Hypexclassic)]

Celessi is like some one walking into a church to propose changes to be made to the bible and then calls everyone toxic for not having his way when everyone gets mad at him.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

I think it’s a cool idea, but this is an extremely toxic community if you recommend anything remotely different from an exact snapshot of 2006 forever.

Calls the community toxic…proceeds to be toxic themselves…

Hypocrisy, thy name is Celessi.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

Have you read how you all respond to people?

well, my dear celessi, allow me to detoxify the situation:

btw, before we start, an obligatory comment on your avatar! looks cool. i like the eyes. makes it look like you have very thick eyelashes. and now on to the topic.

i personally think aoe looting and guild banks is a good idea. i like the idea of making people play thru classic vanilla in order to unlock classic tbc (but someone else convinced me this would be bad for tbc). i wouldnt mind letting people collect special game currency at max level on classic vanilla, to be spendable on retail at a special vendor, but the devs say no cross pollination, so that’s that.

on the other hand, i dont agree with right click reporting, dont agree with having updated models/animations, dont agree with sharding and pretty much support the rest of the #nochanges topic

[Ashmange-moon-guard (Ashmange)]

This Thread reminds me how much i despise the “new” Forums, i miss my Downvote and Ignore features.

To the OP, simply, in as nice a way as possible, NO

[Jklockedout-proudmoore (Jklockedout)]

I came up with idea how Blizzard could encourage current players to stay little bit longer then 2-3 months playing classic WOW. Because let face it what’s the reason of doing most of the same thing again from beginning for no reason… And here is my idea.
As we know lots of item are gone and the only one way to get something before Cataclysm came out is Black Market ( gears / mounts / achievements ).
My idea is once you reach character lvl60 , you will be able to transfer one per 14 days ( maybe in reset server day ) item from Classic to Live server ( only one way ). It could work like " Restoration Item " with some limits. Transferring BoE item from Classic will be BoP on Live server to avoid selling it on AH ( item will be just for transmog ).
However transferring weapon like Rhok’delar, Longbow of the Ancient Keepers, will transfer everything related to this item ( Quest chain and Achievement if there is any ). Even transferring mount from Zul’Gurub or even getting Black Qiraji Resonating Crystal mount you had to spend lots of time back in Vanilla just to gather gear for this raid. Not mention about MC or even BWL resistance gear. Thanks to this transfer service most of players will focus on playing Classic WoW instead of complaining lack of BfA content.
If that would work well Blizzard could add transfer character from Classic to Live server for some $$ ( free for new players that does not have any expansion )

Sorry for my English, let me know what you think about this idea.

I don’t understand why people who’ve been playing for 14 years can’t have things that are unobtainable now. It’s good for the game to keep rare things rare…how can you not see this?

[Vaedryn-uldum]

Nah. Leave Classic as it should be. a Horrible experience for those who don’t want it, and an amazing experience for those who do.

[Youngwidow-proudmoore]

Flag and move on.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

@Celessi-turalyon

Oh, so because I support changes, you can’t be toxic when you resort to character attacks against someone?

Seems more like you support the idea that classic players are just toxic. This thread seems to be a covert attempt to draw that “issue” into question if you ask me. At this point. Everyone knows the reactions this type of post will cause. Call it toxic if you want but like Pac said: “We might fight amongst ourselves but I promise you this: We’ll burn this down ya get us pissed”

[Starz-boulderfist]

I think it’s a cool idea, but this is an extremely toxic community if you recommend anything remotely different from an exact snapshot of 2006 forever. Either you’re part of the classic was god’s perfect gift to gaming, and the classic servers will be the 2nd coming crowd, or they make it very clear that you’re not welcome and they don’t want you on their servers that Blizzard owns and is intending for everyone interested to play.

Yea we’re toxic… you seem like a regular bundle of joy

[Thelashh-scarlet-crusade]

I came up with idea how Blizzard could encourage current players to stay little bit longer then 2-3 months playing classic WOW. Because let face it what’s the reason of doing most of the same thing again from beginning for no reason…

Your premise is wrong from the start, “you know nothing Jon Snow”

[Enhancelord-korgath]

I came up with idea how Blizzard could encourage current players to stay little bit longer then 2-3 months playing classic WOW. Because let face it what’s the reason of doing most of the same thing again from beginning for no reason… And here is my idea.

Here’s my idea Mr. Retail player with 0 posts about classic ever, I think you just don’t understand Classic WoW.

Hows that for an idea.

[Enhancelord-korgath]

I think it’s a cool idea, but this is an extremely toxic community if you recommend anything remotely different from an exact snapshot of 2006 forever. Either you’re part of the classic was god’s perfect gift to gaming, and the classic servers will be the 2nd coming crowd, or they make it very clear that you’re not welcome and they don’t want you on their servers that Blizzard owns and is intending for everyone interested to play.

Or you could understand that this game was went to be made as a replica of vanilla WoW that is ‘untouched’ by outside systems that would make it less authentic than it has be to. Most of us who shut down ideas so quickly have been here since day one, and some of us have been asking for this for the last 10 years or so.

Me personally, I have been asking for this since late Cata when I realized the game I loved wasn’t coming back. I would ask on the forums for opinions and get shut down instantly and mocked and downvoted (back when you could downvote). Then when I finally get my request fulfilled after all the mocking and flame I got for playing on p servers, I get to hear all these retail players who are now on board, except they are only interested if they get the change that they want. We hear people wanting anything from graphic updates to xmog, dungeon finder, and even WoW tokens.

This isn’t your game to mess up. This is a game to replicate vanilla WoW. Yeah, we may be toxic about it, and quite frankly i believe it’s justified. You either want classic WoW or you don’t, there is no “Well what if we…”. Nope. You can just simply not play.

Call it toxic all you want I really don’t care.

[Jdpp-zuljin (Jdpp)]

Hard no to the OP.

It takes away from the achievements and feats of strength from the people who did those things 14 years ago. Imagine how disruptive to the economy a single chromatic sword would be on retail. You could make a list a mile long of things you could gather on classic wow and take it to retail to break the economy.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

Unlocking Unobtainable Appearances in Class for Retail?

What are your thoughts about having unobtainable appearences you obtain become available in retail if you unlock them in Classic? I want to advocate for a constant flow of newcomers to Classic after the hype dies off. This is the best and easiest way I see to do this. Now to address the main argument I think people will make against this: “That’s a bad idea because it will encourage people to just play, take gear from a Classic guild then leave them high and dry.” Yes, that is a factor, but…

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Oh I know his ideas would be horrible, I was more just pointing out that his ideas were junk from the go because he has no frame of reference for what the original game was.