They are two different Games. BC introduces the concept of Paladins for Horde and Shamans to Alliance. It may seem/appear “small” or not really “significant”, but it truly is. Once you begin a Level 1 experience with that, it’s already different. Along with two additional Races, the JC Profession, Guild Banks, etc. All of those are accessible pre-Outlands/level 60.
Sure, they can! If they kept up their own personal Survey more than just 2 days, would’ve had a much more accurate reading of what the player base wants. Also, just because it’s silly to you, doesn’t mean it’s silly for everyone else.
Also, let’s not discount those that have quit, but their voice is equally as important, especially if Blizz wants to gain back their business.
By Blizz, there was. By other sites, I’m sure there’s quite a bit. Like I said, not EVERYONE knows about those surveys nor how to access/participate in said surveys.
Also, not everyone floods the Forums, either. There’s A LOT of content Players with how things are, but their gameplay gets altered because of other individuals. For example, PL. That definitely hindered the Raiding Experience. Perhaps, one day, Blizz will make it, so it sticks with LFD and Raid Finder. And, the old Loot System will make its way back, but I doubt it.
I will, the more people respond to me, talking about my character instead of the topic, at hand. Along with not making any sense (to me, obviously).
Slightly agree. My only concern was how short lived it was. It wasn’t up long. Perhaps, if it was up longer with an actual deadline displayed, it would have a better and more accurate reading of the Playerbase.
They are. I just explained how they are. BC fundamentally alters the game just with the fact that Horde can have Paladins, and Alliance can have Shamans, with that alone. Just because you say they’re not, doesn’t mean they’re the same.
I believe they’re satisfied with their insufficient data, yes. Doesn’t take away from my point.
May doesn’t mean that they did. I play Blizz Games, almost daily. And, I didn’t get the chance to participate.
Sure, doesn’t mean they’re accurate.
This is not relevant to Polls and Surveys being “accurate”. Despite all of that, just because Classic has smaller numbers, doesn’t mean some (not all) Players don’t want to play it nor are playing it.
I’m sure if Blizz wants to push forward with whatever they want to push forward with. They have the right to do whatever they want.
Just like I have a right to voice my discontent with some (not all) of their decisions. For the purpose of this discussion, like I said, the more you respond to me (with stuff that doesn’t make sense to me), the more I’m going to respond. So, for the purpose of this discussion, I’m not convinced nor have changed my mind on how I feel. So, that settles that
No, you’re being a purist. It’s the same fundamentals with some changes, but primarily updates and additions. It’s an expansion, not an overhaul. It doesn’t matter how you word it.
Just as it doesn’t matter if it makes sense to you or not, it doesn’t matter if you think it’s insufficient.
Neither did I. They don’t survey everyone, nor do they need to.
Again, doesn’t matter if you think it’s accurate or not. Your tantrum is irrelevant.
It’s absolutely relevant to Blizzard’s decisions for if they’re going to keep all of the servers as they are or progress most or all of them.
And that’s the last I’ll respond. You basically whine that you’re not considered important and that your opinion and voice doesn’t really impact anyone, and that’s all you do.
It’s not about being a “purist”. It’s not the same “fundamentals” with “some changes”. The Game is heavily altered, along with its story. For example, BanjoKazooie and BanjoTooie are two different Games. You have the same abilities, in BanjoTooie, as you do in BanjoKazooie. But because BanjoTooie progresses/pushes the story forward is a completely different game than BanjoKazooie and vice versa.
You let me know how having Horde Paladins and Alliance Shamans is the same game as Classic, which doesn’t allow for Horde Paladins nor Alliance Shamans. Alongside having two additional Races, playing alongside our world, with the concept of Guild Banks and the JC profession. It’s not the same Game, no matter how you word it.
Wording does matter. So, do all of the minor details. Just like all of those that don’t believe in the “#nochanges” movement because the Game is already changed. Also, I’m not looking to get into it about “#nochanges” and QoL Changes because that’s not what we’re talking about.
Just like, it doesn’t really matter if Blizz wants to listen to anyone who wants what they want. Because Blizz will do what they want to do. Influenced by its Playerbase, sure, but they don’t always do that.
Regardless, whether you disagree with my opinion hasn’t changed my mind on how I feel about the subject. Which is the whole reason why you’re talking to me. You’re not going to “scare” me into Silence. No matter how many times you tell me my opinions don’t matter. I’m not going to stop talking nor express my opinions. If you ACTUALLY want to change my mind, you’d stick with the subject at hand instead of changing it around, into what we’re actually talking about.
Regardless, if Blizz does what YOU want, does NOT (I repeat, does NOT) take away from my stance, that the Polls and Surveys are not reflective nor accurate. It just proves, Blizz catered to a certain sub-group based off of an insufficient (that I find) Survey. Because Blizz is perfectible entitled to do so. It doesn’t take away from my point.
I never said “need to”. I just said the Poll and Survey is just not accurate because it’s not reflective. Even if it was for just a handful of people, I would find it to be more reflective, had the Poll/Survey lasted longer than just 2 days. But, they didn’t, therefore I don’t find it accurate nor reflective. It just means, that those who did participant seem (keyword) to have a lot of time on their hands to find every Poll and Survey possible, to participate in.
Again, it doesn’t matter if you think or Blizz thinks that my “tantrum” (to use your words, I’m not going to argue against what you think my stance is called because it really is irrelevant), I’m still going to say, what I want to say pertaining to discussions. Doesn’t matter if Blizz listens to me or not, I’m still going to state my opinions because it is my right to do so. If I find Polls and Surveys to be inaccurate, not reflective nor sufficient, then I will say so. If you don’t want to see me doing it, please utilize the Forum Settings to ignore me, so you don’t have to see my “tantrums”. I’m not going to stop “throwing tantrums” just because you want me to.
I agree, that Blizz utilizes more than just their Polls and Surveys. That’s EXACTLY what I’m saying! What I’m saying is (in regards to calling what you’re talking, prior, as “irrelevant”) that the declining Classic numbers has no barring nor relevancy into me thinking that (somehow) magically makes Polls and Surveys “more accurate, reflective and/or sufficient”. Because it doesn’t.
Good.
Now, we’re back to talking about me, as a character. Great conversation. Still hasn’t changed my mind in whether or not Polls and Surveys are “accurate” because they’re not.
Glad, some (not all) like to focus on me (as a character) rather than the subject matter, at hand
I wasn’t aware that new expansions are not actually expansions, but totally different games. Playing on a server on retail for years and when a new expansion goes live, you can still log on to the same server, log on to the same character with the same gear and achievements and reputations, but it’s a different game.
I misunderstood what an expansion actually is
I didn’t expect to convince you because you are clueless about polling and statistical analysis. You’ve just posted more evidence of that fact. I was just pointing out the obvious for the people who are educated.
(sigh) More proof that there’s no actual discussion. Just talking about us, as characters. Rather than the discussion, itself
Whether I’m “clueless” about polling and/or statistical analysis or not, is irrelevant to the discussion, at hand. We’re not talking about my “lack of understanding” how Polling and Statistical Analysis work. We’re talking about if they are accurate. My “lack of understanding” doesn’t prove their accuracy.
It really is a different game. The Standard Game is nowhere near the same Game, as Classic. Likewise, Classic is not the same game as BC.
Sure, we can speculate, but that doesn’t mean they’re true. Because we do know not EVERYONE was accounted for. Only SOME (not all) people’s voices and opinions were heard in said Poll/Survey. That was only open for like 2 days (if that).
I, for one, hardly check my E-Mail, unless I’m resetting a password. That’s just me (and on me, for not being aware, that’s how Blizz likes to dish out their Polls/Surveys). I agree, private surveys aren’t helpful. Most importantly, not accurate.
No it doesn’t. But I’m not going to write an essay on why it’s not necessary to poll everyone to get accurate results if those doing the poll have sufficient data to create a representative sample. One college level course on statistical analysis or simply reading news articles on the subject would give you that information. There’s ample information out there for those who chose to educate themselves on the subject. Here’s a good place to start.
We can’t know but polling isn’t rocket science. Constructing a good poll is something companies do all the time and blizzard has more information about their customers than most companies. It’s highly likely they hired professionals to create their polls.
The surveys done by blizzard are the only information that’s accurate. The forum, twitter, youtube discussion isn’t a representative sample. It’s not even a random sample. It’s a self selected group of only a fraction of the player base. There are less than 100 people discussing it here. The blizzard survey likely had a thousand participants. You really need to understand the difference between a representative sample, a random sample, and a self selected sample.
I agree that the Blizz Poll is a legit poll. However, I still don’t think it’s accurate nor reflective based off of the duration it was around. I don’t think 2 Days is an accurate portrayal of its playerbase. I agree that these Forums, Twitter, YT, etc., discussions are not an accurate reflection. It’s why I’m judging based off of MORE than just Polls and Surveys. I’m including EVERYTHING, as a whole/collective. I’m not basing it off of just Polls and Surveys, alone. Keyword being “alone”. Not saying to completely IGNORE them.
Comments like this never fail to crack me up. Those not willing to level to get to tbc are either retail tourists who are just taking a break from retail to consume content, and/or those who really did not want tbc as much as they pretend to.
Wow, what a hardship that those new characters would have, to level up alongside everyone else, instead of standing afk inside an instance. How horrible for them.
