Freedom is always better than limitations

[Vaeana-area-52 (Vaeana)]

@Bakkian-stormrage

The gist is, average players will be annoyed by arbitrary restrictions that blizzard is trying to implement to limit more tryhard players. No one wants a week long conduit swapping cooldown because its limiting

Hi, super average player here. Posting in this thread is the extent of me caring about the cooldown.

[Nuamooa-zuljin]

@Saángreal-moon-guard

Alas, ethical laws must be upheld despite any purported moral highground because the latter is too vague. It’s an endless dilemma, but at some point a line has to be drawn when your “freedom” infringes on the individual.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. It isn’t clear that you do, either.

@Saángreal-moon-guard

I don’t agree with every limitation set forth by Blizzard, but it beats having a sandbox choose to be whatever I want whenever I want. With no rules, how does one set up challenges? Where is the fun if the road has no lines?

Where is the fun if we get to actually make choices throughout the expansion, rather than being locked into a bad choice we were forced to make because all choices were bad?

It isn’t clear you have any idea what “fun” is.

@Saángreal-moon-guard

Limitations still allow for potential and variety.

So it’s still possible to play the game, but you have to work harder to get anything done. Why would players find that fun?

[Sarama-firetree]

@Lorli-zuljin

You can’t cast spells in NBA 2K and I can’t use a semi-automatic rifle in WoW because the game developers are limiting you from doing so. Whenever you play any game, you enter a world with rules that you have to follow

If you don’t understand the difference between wanting to be able to root your opponents in NBA 2K and not wanting another layer of restrictions on us in the game we’re already playing, there might be a bigger problem.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

They will not.

We need a new dev team. Pray for systemlands:Venthyr crashes and burns.

[Fluffergyrl-dalaran (Fluffergyrl)]

@Bakkian-stormrage

The gist is, average players will be annoyed by arbitrary restrictions that blizzard is trying to implement to limit more tryhard players. No one wants a week long conduit swapping cooldown because its limiting. Not even in the sense of being “optimal” for all content, but in the sense of wanting to do something and not be able to for no reason other than the game telling you no.

As a filthy casual I can definitely say that a week CD on conduits doesn’t bother me a hoot. I honestly wouldn’t care if the CD extended to talents and specs. IMO this is ONLY going to be an issue for the CDO “competitive” crowd. Truly casual players don’t swap that kind of stuff that often.

[Myrklan-sisters-of-elune]

I take it someone likes to play with “godmode” on. Working within the restrictions is part of playing any game.

[Lorli-zuljin]

I’m not saying that was his specific argument, more just pointing out how many people here seem to believe that having less restrictions automatically equals more fun.

I’m really more addressing the post title, because I think it has to be obvious that every game has to have some kind of restrictions, otherwise what’s the point of playing it

[Sarama-firetree]

@Fluffergyrl-dalaran

Truly casual players don’t swap that kind of stuff that often

I’m pretty darn casual and I switch specs multiple times a day. Depending on how much the conduits influence things, that’s a pretty big impact.

[Slyveral-stormrage (Slyveral)]

Damn love people who think they can speak for other than themselves …

I personally enjoy those limitation , im tired of being expected to switch spec for X content , so being limited on other systems is FINE by me . Though i do see why some people dont like it . But we should give this a try and see if it’s that bad since we we’re always given decent freedom on those kinds of systems .

[Kalgor-deathwing (Kalgor)]

Oh? But what about when limitations bring those freedoms?

[Blacksire-khazgoroth]

@Bakkian-stormrage

The gist is, average players will be annoyed by arbitrary restrictions that blizzard is trying to implement to limit more tryhard players. No one wants a week long conduit swapping cooldown because its limiting. Not even in the sense of being “optimal” for all content, but in the sense of wanting to do something and not be able to for no reason other than the game telling you no. Azerite respeccing. Its annoying. Its the same thing, I will get a new conduit and want to try it out or test a new build and the game will be like “Haha nice try see ya next reset kid”. It feels bad.

Average player here, I don’t mind.

[Bakkian-stormrage]

@Tuurtlez-thrall

You haven’t played it yet

Its azerite respeccing in a different more solid limitation. Do you really need to play it to look at a week long cooldown and understand the problems with it?

@Blacksire-khazgoroth

Average player here, I don’t mind

@Fluffergyrl-dalaran

As a filthy casual I can definitely say that a week CD on conduits doesn’t bother me a hoot. I honestly wouldn’t care if the CD extended to talents and specs. IMO this is ONLY going to be an issue for the CDO “competitive” crowd. Truly casual players don’t swap that kind of stuff that often.

Oh well guess we will have to see when it comes out.

@Myrklan-sisters-of-elune

I take it someone likes to play with “godmode” on.

Wow yes the best response to anything, that person is an elitist who couldn’t handle being sub-optimal for a minute of their life.

[Tuurtlez-thrall]

@Bakkian-stormrage

Its azerite respeccing in a different more solid limitation. Do you really need to play it to look at a week long cooldown and understand the problems with it?

It’s my understanding that you can set 3 up and swap them whenever. If it’s like Azerite at least it’s free? Frankly I don’t know enough about it to care. I’ll play the game when it comes out. Hardly worth getting worked up over.

[Bakkian-stormrage]

@Tuurtlez-thrall

It’s my understanding that you can set 3 up and swap them whenever.

Congrats thats the main argument against this. Except that they are all unique soulbinds with very different perks and amounts of conduits in them which makes it annoying if you would rather only use 1 than be forced to use all 3.

[Hotcrab-tichondrius]

@Bakkian-stormrage

The idea is less that switching is difficult, this is talking about conduits not covenants so with conduits after you slot them in you can only change them once a week. And that would be annoying if you decide you want to try other builds or get a new conduit and can’t put it in.

Again, I’m fine with that. The ability to so easily change things is a problem which is plaguing the game imo.

[Paeldryth-hyjal (Paeldryth)]

Casual is a meaningless buzzword that doesn’t really apply here. Everyone plays the game for different reasons whether its 1 hour or 8 hours a day.

We won’t truly know how good or bad the system is for the greater population until its out and people get their arms around it.

[Saángreal-moon-guard (Saángreal)]

All I am trying to say is that blanket freedom for everyone to do whatever they please with no rules, no limitations or boundaries makes for a poor game. Yes, there are bad choices and good choices like in any sport you play.

No one is supposed to have overwhelming power in every aspect. Might as well give people access to GM powers and reimburse every mistake you made because it was a poor choice.

This is part of the experience of any game.

What fun is there if you know everything optimal?
What fun is there if you take statistically the best performing gear, skill, mods?

I don’t know how much clearer I can make this. Clearly, though, what I find fun is an abstract concept to others.

[anon14172861]

I don’t see the point in the cooldown.

There is no cooldown on switching talents.

They are putting systems in place that encourage players to do multiple forms of content (raids, dungeons, BGs, arenas) like the weekly chest, where different builds and playstyles are often used traditionally.

And a lot of times it’s not even a case of something being ideal, but rather certain talents/picks being borderline useless in a given situation. It’s the way WoW has always been really. If they are going to crack down on changing builds the overall design should reflect that, but it really doesn’t.

[Myrklan-sisters-of-elune]

@Bakkian-stormrage

@Myrklan-sisters-of-elune

I take it someone likes to play with “godmode” on.

Wow yes the best response to anything, that person is an elitist who couldn’t handle being sub-optimal for a minute of their life.

From the tone of the topic …yes that’s exactly how I took it.

[Myrklan-sisters-of-elune]

@anon14172861

They are putting systems in place that encourage players to do multiple forms of content (raids, dungeons, BGs, arenas) like the weekly chest, where different builds and playstyles are often used traditionally.

They are trying to encourage people to quit looking at cookie cutter “You must be this” mindsets.