Forsaken Starting Overhaul

She doesnt care anymore. She wanted to stop the forsaken from going extinct only so she could have a meatshield to protect her from going to the Maw.

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That still wouldn’t be a retcon, because it isn’t retroactive continuity. It would just be regular continuity. Blizz inserting the Jailer into the stories of Arthas and Kel’thuzad after the fact is a retcon. They retroactively inserted new details into past events. The loss of the Val’kyr is something that we got to experience in real-time in the present. It’s thanks to us that they’re gone. There’s nothing retroactive about that.
Now if we were to try to say that the Val’kyr were actually never there, then that would be a retcon. That’s not what it would be though, it would just be updating the zone to be consistent with current events on the timeline.

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It’s like reading a book, gasp, all the words in the first chapter are frozen to the events happening then.

Would people be happier if, Guild Wars 1 style, old areas in the past became inaccessible like pre-Charr Ascalon? Or would people rather be able to access that old content even it means it takes place in the past?

Update the world. If we want to go back and experience the past, that’s what time-walking is for.

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That’s what Zidormi is for.

Every non-allied race got an overhaul of the starting zone when they made exile’s reach.

I doubt there will be any changes to any starting storylines.

They don’t update the world unless there is a gameplay reason to. Your options are experience the past or not experience the content (ie new undead start in Exiles Reach with no alternative).

I mean, your options are generally “old time bubble” or nothing. Why do people think Blizzard is just going to spend time updating old content for no reason?

That’s exactly what they did with cata. And it wouldn’t be for “no reason.” There are many reasons to update the world outside of providing dozens of zones worth of new content… Why would you argue against having more relevant content in the game?

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It really is a cluster. Our badass Banshee Queen was taken from us. Alliance were allowed access to “of Lordaeron”, three non-Forsaken races, including two Alliance races were given the iconic Dark Ranger look and to top it off we got an Alliance nanny foisted upon us.

So much for faction pride. :crying_cat_face:

They have limited bandwidth. Why would I want them to waste yet more time on storylines I would rather not see? I felt like the purification of Lordaeron City was already a huge commitment to be the main story event of 9.2.7 to be honest.

I feel like they should spend a major portion of an expansion telling a bunch of mini-stories to progress areas along and get zones caught up to current events.

So many resources left wasting away when they could reutilize zones similarly to how they did so with Cataclysm.

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Oh. This wasn’t the conversation I expected to erupt here

Yes! For me the biggest issue with this game is how each expansion is time locked. I hate it!!! Hate it hate it hate it. It’s also hella confusing for a new player.

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They definitely should streamline the level 1-70 (80 for next expac) experience into a linear, cohesive updated story.

One of Blizz’s main issues right now is new player acquisition and some start a game for the story. They could keep Chromie time and it would change nothing if they streamlined the story.

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I think the biggest issue forsaken have is really a simple one: for lots of reasons many people just hate Calia.

She’s quite hateable.

She’s not a Forsaken, she’s not shadowy or edgy, she’s not doing crazy over the top evil things like feeding poisoned exploding pumpkins to captives, etc etc… In short she just doesn’t fit in.

Despite Blizzard’s attempts to force the Calia shaped peg into a Deathklok sized hole, they haven’t really gained much ground here.

Maybe there was a Calia arc in the cut Shadowlands content (that definitely certainly 100% for sure wasn’t cut LMAO /wink) that would redeem her in some way, but if so we didn’t ever get to see it. She just stood there from when she was introduced to the very end of the expansion.

So whatever they do with the forsaken has to somehow deal with that. She just doesn’t belong there.

The lack of updates to the world is just one of the many elephants in the room. It’s hard to talk about updating any one starting zone without bringing up the rest of the world as well.
Blizzard has been side-stepping the issue for the last 10 years by having each new expansion since cata take place on a new landmass/realm. Eventually they’re going to have to return to these neglected zones, and in my opinion it’s overdue.

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Exiles Reach —> Dragon Isles is likely to be that streamlined story. Literally the characters on the beach in Dragon Isles are your exiles reach friends. The narrative is also designed to be evergreen as its low stakes and doesn’t need to connect to whatever else is happening.

Tabard logo should have been the Lordaeron “L”.

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Exile’s Reach feeds new players into BfA, though.

Blizz needed a punching bag and since the orcs got the treatment with Garrosh the Forsaken got the short straw this time around.

Us Tauren are forever stuck with Baine since there’s no way would Blizz let anything happen to the Alliance ambassador.

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