The Horde have always had part of Ashenvale, Vanilla started with two complete outposts and some stations in addition. It became more of having an equal part with the set up of new Horde bases in cataclysm and the wiping out of Silverwing Refuge.
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I have told you this multiple times I donât know why you keep bringing it up.
Ingame reflection =/= lore
The Night Elves got full control of Ashenvale as part of a treaty after MoP, the Horde completely left these lands until BfA where they got full control of it. If you keep arguing based on ingame reflection then itâs pointless to even discuss further.
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And I will say again⊠if itâs not in game, it does not mean squat. The game is the common experience we all have, unless youâre here on the boards just to snipe, in which case you donât count. Especially since out of game lore tends to contradict itself on a regular basis.
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But it would be nice if phasing could be used to reflect that for night elves.
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It would be nice, but they arenât even going to give us the zone back in the lore it seems like which would already be more than enough in terms of zones.
Guess itâs just a Horde zone in the lore from now on.
This is where youâre wrong though, because this board is specifically made for people to discuss the story, and many story elements are unfortunately not reflected in the game. Sorry, you canât just go ânot in game donât countâ on the board meant specifically for discussing things which arenât always given in game treatment reflections for players.
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Problem is⊠when out of game elements donât sync with what the players experience in the game⊠trumpeting them as some sort of high priority or overriding truth isnât kosher. They are by definition⊠alternate fiction.
But the version of Ashenvale we had is the version from Cataclysm, from the events of Cataclysm, as with all zones in game. Every single one of them aside from Darkshore and Arathi Highlands is in the state it was in in Cataclysm. Yet there is out of game material, for a zone such as Ashenvale, where the story progressed beyond what it had in Cataclysm.
Like the story of the world has progressed far far beyond Cataclysm by this point, so its kind of bunk to just say âEhehe but the zone in game doesnât reflect what this official Blizzard story source said, therefor it no count!â
Like not everything can sync with in game experiences because they would have to literally reshape the world with every single expansion considering everything that happens (which would be cool, but would take way too many resources), so we have to use other sources put out by Blizzard when discussing the story.
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probably a fair degree, sure. I mean, I like Forsaken too though, while I do like Night Elves more, I think I trust myself to give the Forsaken a fair shake, and I think I have outlined quite well WHY night elves feel the way they do.
And I think a lot if it is not just what Blizzard does, but how Blizzard does it. Night Elf victories happen off-screen, Night Elf defeats are front and center in-game as a main factor of the story. I think this may have a skewing effect that emphasizes the bad things, and underplays the good things. I canât say with certainty that Blizzard hates night elves⊠But it FEELS as though they are eager to victimize them, and reluctant to show them winning⊠Which I think inspires the passionate among us to be particularly combative.
Oh sure, I agree. I big problem here is that puts Night Elf fans and Forsaken fans at odds. Forsaken fans are trying to hold onto one of the few things they have left⊠but that thing happens to be the thing that stripped the Kaldorei of everything important they ever had.
Night Elves barely even have Elune left, with Tyrande talking about abandonment⊠I can feel my blood pressure rising as I type it.
Sure, we can talk about who has it worse for awhile. I think Night Elves do⊠You, probably think Forsaken do, or at least they are comparable. I guess that would be the middle ground⊠But really? Blizzard is the problem here, and I think that is the heart of those âNelf fans, do not buyâ threads.
Itâs a silly thread to make, but the heart of it is true⊠The only thing that is bound to get Blizzardâs attention is a hit to their bottom line. At this point though, I donât think I trust them to do better. BfA was the passion project in which they put in âA lot of loveâ according to themâŠ
⊠And what they gave us is so detached from the wants and needs of their consumer base, itâs perceived by some to be an intentional slap in the face.
Yeah yeah you keep saying it at every one without showing any prove.
Oh someone liked your post!!! Oh right its SpuddycâŠ
Just remember that you cant fool anyone when Spuddyc liked 533 of your post and you like 630 of his post.
Are you jealous?
spuddy and frank are relationship goals
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Yeah see, maybe this is the problem.
Is a fictional race really worth it? A race that doesnât exist? That truly has no bearing on anything outside of its fictional world?
I just donât see it. I like the Forsaken, yeah, but Iâm not gonna have a heart attack over what BfA has done to them.
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We all have our passions. I am sure you do too, itâs just not this.
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Its funny cause i was responding to Trivelfrank but you responded. Guess you was on Spuddyc alt.
Thereâs definitely such a thing as too much passion though.
For me there getâs to be a point were âWho has it worseâ is no longer a debate because there is so much pain and vitriol that arguing it is just not worth it.
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Or I, Spuddyc, was reading through the replies on the forums and saw yours and it made me chuckle.
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It really comes down to the same two or three specific users being extremely loud, argumentative, and dismissive of the pains of other parts of the fanbase that has painted ânelf fansâ the way they have been.
Most people agree night elves got it real bad and have every right to be upset. The issue is the few users who:
- Try to make Horde players feel bad for what the game made them do.
- Dismiss other fan groups and their own issues as inferior to night elf issues.
- Insist other parts of the fandom deserve to have everything they enjoy destroyed.
Basically? Nobody likes to be told the things that made them upset arenât worth discussing just because someone else got hurt more. Some users take that a step further and say Forsaken lost nothing or that they actually deserved to lose what they did because they chose to play the âobvious villainsâ.
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