Forsaken population

Fandral had been antagonistic with Tyrande since vanilla, but okay.
I’ll be generous
You lost Benedictus
You lost Fandral (who, again, was intended to be a villain from the start)
You lost Varian.
You “”“lost”“” Bolvar (who is still Alliance. See link above.)
You lost Delaryn (whose Horde counterpart was the awesomely written Thomas Zelling)

We’ve almost lost more OG Horde leaders than this list.
If you want to count Thrall being gone for the better part of a decade, we have.
And that’s just OG racial leaders.

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Is Thomas Zelling considered a lost character in Kul’Tiras?

:man_shrugging:
He was literally made by Blizzard to be Forsaken.
But sure, claim him. This isn’t even a dent in the amount of characters the Horde has bled.

Blizzard appeal? Interesting.
Does the “Why are you complaining about us, complaining about Blizzard” argument apply?

Your translator didn’t translate correctly. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Referring to authority? Argument from authority?

Are you implying Blizzard did not make Thomas Zelling specifically to be a really cool Forsaken that the Horde empathized with so that Sylvanas could kill him and make the Horde playerbase angry with her?

Uh … I don’t remember.

Well, let me clear this up for you.
The Alliance player never meets Thomas Zelling.

It’s OK. Can he be considered an Alliance character who was stolen by the Horde?

Not in good faith because the Alliance player never meets him.
But, as I said:

If you’re claiming Zelling, the Horde can claim the dumb vampire guys the Horde player character never meets.

Hmm … At what point in time did Zelling become the Forsaken? Before or after the annexation of Kul’Tiras?

He was forsaken before Kul’Tiras rejoined the Alliance.
Don’t see why that matters, though. When BFA was announced we knew two things:
1: Kul’Tirans would be Alliance.
2: Zandalari would be Horde.

Great, you can drop Rastakhan from the list of lost Horde characters.

Your translator is Not Great™ at detecting nuance in English.

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It’s not great in reverse either, I only understand roughly 50% of what Shernish is on about sometimes haha

What is written there?

After the Wrathgate during the Battle for the Undercity, the Alliance attacks the Royal Apothecary Society and wipes them out. Waves upon waves of Forsaken attack the Alliance lines and are killed. We spent most of the battle literally AoEing Forsaken.

In Cataclysm multiple Forsaken armies are destroyed in Gilneas. The vanguard is destroyed by the Worgen player which forced another Forsaken army to be sent in with Horde backup. That Forsaken army plus its auxiliaries is destroyed in a turkey shoot that culminates in literally crashing a hijacked Horde gunship into its main body. Another Forsaken army is then routed by the 7th Legion. Sylvanas needed to sacrifice 3-4 Valkyr just to stabilize the frontline at the end of Silverpine questing.

At the Battle of Lordaeron we destroyed another Forsaken army. We literally raked their lines with machine gun fire and killed dozens with a single ability. It was a total rout, regardless of whether or not Sylvanas intended it to be.

At Darkshore, another Forsaken army was destroyed. Once again, waves and waves of Forsaken are sent against the Alliance and killed. Like the Battle for the Undercity it was another circumstance where we were straight up AoEing down large groups of Forsaken without even thinking about it.

If the demographic balance of power re: Lordaeron has shifted over time, it has absolutely not been in the Forsaken’s favor.

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Kul’Tirans were made to be Alliance just like Zandalari were made to be Horde.
You shifted the goalposts: “If Thomas Zelling doesn’t count as Alliance, Rastakhan doesn’t count as Horde.”

The Horde player met Rastakhan.
The Alliance player never met Thomas Zelling.

Is it moving the goalpost? Why?