So a long time ago I recall back in BfA that the forsaken are now alot fewer. Thar while many did escape(like the various vendors) many others were killed(like the people in Deathknell) now the question is will the Forsaken end up being played as a dying race(especially with the lack of the Val;kyr). Even if they had a way to reanimate new corpses the Alliance will hardly let their dead be turned into Forsaken thus making any attempts at creating new recruits a costly endeavor.
Yes we know population doesnât really matter but I am curious if Blizzard will play up the âdying raceâ angle and more important find a new endgame for the Forsaken. Even the Before the Storm book talked about how maybe the second chance the forsaken got is good enough and that immortality might not be something they should be striving for.
i would like the story option that the people of forsaken welcome the dying ones from long sickness and suffering.
humans who fear the ultimate Dead, who don´t want to go into the shadowlands, want a postponement before the ultimate judgement for eternityâŚpilger to the forsaken to find âŚtheir fate there, as a forsaken, as an undeadâŚcured from all plagues and sicknessâŚmaybe the forsaken make a giant ritual, like a funeralâŚshadowpriests tell storys from life about this person andâŚafter they call your back in your body, you get the opportunity to choose a new nameâŚa new destiny, a new life.
the funeral would be full of dignity, âŚits not a âhaha, silly Humanâ âŚmore like a funeral, a ritual of Dignity andâŚcelebration.
Blizzard probably wonât. If they even address it they will make sure the future has hope for the Forsaken, because thatâs good for the franchise. Telling the Forsaken playerbase that the race will die off would only play well into further faction conflicts, since it creates an âall or nothingâ narrative.
The Forsaken are doomed to eventually die off. Itâs inevitable, and this should be a larger driving force in their culture. Youâd think that memento mori would be practiced among them more than anyone else.
For gameplay purposes they obviously wonât be dying off anytime soon, but in decades? Centuries? Itâs going to happen and nothing can stop it. Whatâs more interesting is how they choose to handle that.
The easiest narrative solution, if the writers had a modicum of care and regard, would be:
The Primus takes responsibility for the Forsaken since they are ultimately his children
Primus gives them a new raison dâetre and narrative purpose, which the Forsaken have lacked since Wrath, e.g. the Sepulcher is on Azeroth, and so the Winter Queen tasks the Night Elves and the Primus tasks the Forsaken with protecting the Sepulcher
The Forsaken are raised locals but are given the choice of returning to life or staying in the grave; particularly, Lordaeron humans who were sent to Revendreth or even damned to the Maw (e.g. Archbishop Benedictus Voss) and would rather a âdo overâ with a second life rather than be damned for all eternity or endure purgatory for eons.
Primus teaches the Forsaken âtrue necromancyâ to prevent rot and decay; thus no Valkyr are needed (or Kyrians)
Primus and Marileth clean up Undercity
Calia is given a makeover
Thus the Forsaken retain their âForsakenâ nature (by being a race of Formerly Damned Humans) and have a purpose (protecting the Sepulcher of Azeroth).
No lord of death is going to give an entire race carte blanche to live forever Baal, and if the Primus tried to do what youâre proposing it would make him a villain, just as disruptive to the cycle of life and death as Zovaal.
No lord of death would do this either. Theyâre the lords of death, not the lords of cheating death.
Especially given the precedent it sets. These particular individuals get do overs for having tragic, unjustified deaths? What about everyone else who has had a tragic, unjustified death? Nobody like it when death claims the things they care about, but it needs to happen regardless.
Night Elf NPC # 283-d gets a do-over because they died in a mass-casualty event, but people like Varian or Anasterian or AU Velen donât even though they made heroic sacrifices for their people?
They already have this, itâs called Revendreth. And there are apparently trillions of other afterlives that can fulfill similar purposes for those who have died so that they donât have to intrude on the world of the living.
The very existence of undead on the living plane is a byproduct of the machinery of death breaking. The undead are not supposed to exist. This fact is one of the key elements of what makes them tragic and itâs one of the things that nominally makes them fit better in the Horde.
The Primus seems like the guy that would rather give people a proper chance to redo and learn from their mistakes rather than simply harrow hell and fill his army with the damned.
He did, after all, expect Zovaal to meditate on his errors after an eternity in prison, and was sad he just became more evil.
Forsaken need a cultural shift while also retaining their narrative flavor.
Becoming a race of Formerly Damned Lordaeronians charged with a mission from the Primus makes perfect sense.
But he wouldnât do it by letting them freely do whatever the heck they wanted, to say nothing of letting them continue to have their way on the plane of the living, a place that he is supposed to protect in concert with the Lords of Life.
You brought up Zovaal, but the Primus didnât give Zovaal a âdo overâ by giving him free reign over an entire plane of existence. Zovaalâs âdo overâ was an eternity of time-out to think about what he did.
It really really doesnât. I know that you want the Horde to have its own cosmic sugar-daddies like the Alliance has but there are a myriad of better way to do this.
I would also be remiss if I didnât remind you that having a cosmic sugar-daddy comes with duties and responsibilities. One of the reasons the Alliance has cosmic sugar-daddies is because the Alliance virtually never calls on them for its own naked self-interest, even when itâs really, really, really tempting to do so.
If you want the Horde, or specifically the Forsaken, to get cosmic support you need to come to terms with the fact that that power comes with a price, and itâs a price Iâm not sure youâre willing to pay. In this case, the price is your freedom to use that very power.
So if the Primus was going to be a cosmic patron of the Forsaken, it would preclude them using that power for anything so petty as land-disputes. The Primus would probably tell them to give up Lordaeron entirely in fact, because they canât defend it and donât need it.
i know i know, this statement have nothing to do with anything about this post butâŚam i allowed to say that i like the look of the new tset on dwarfhunters??XD
