Zerde, Sylvanas didn’t make use of the Forsaken anywhere but Lordaeron and later Darkshore.
And the cutscenes were Tyrande killing orcs, not forsaken.
Nathaniel was short on forces in Orgrimmar. The War Fronts were still active during SoO2.
Hardly.
See, Genn comments directly on Stormwind’s forces.
Nathaniel and Lor’themar never comment directly on the forsaken’s forces.
The current Horde is dead. Because idiots like the Horde council run it. The council needs to die and be replaced with people who are on par with the demigods from the Alliance. Alliance bias will be defeated. Death to the alliance! Always!
And yet she would have lost her forces in Deathknell(it was a ruin) her forces thoughout EK(it was our mission tables to attack alot of Forsaken bases, heck they were driven out of Stromgarde, you know the Forsaken have a base there right?) and more importantly Sylvanas lost her fleet as well. Don’t forget she suicided them along with the Horde fleet in Aszhara.
They commented however on the Horde forces. It seems this vaunted “untouched” Forsaken group would still not be enough to defend the Horde from an Alliance attack. Clearly it is not as powerful/numerous as you want to portray.
Stop arguing with head canon zerde. He always just use some part of the story, do assumption of it and use is as canon.
Yeah of course, the forsaken have been hit hard by all those war but of course, he will just denied that most lordaeron survivor would also be dead after theramor and all those battle that the human fought. And as you said, the human army was such in bad shape that they needed to use none fighter… But that of course isn’t part of Zerde headcanon.
Funny, half of what Dread said was his own headcanon and slight of hand. Heck, he pull the whole “they were cornered” out of the Twisting Nether when it literally was not what Nathanos said and even if they were it was clearly not the biggest factor.
If Blizzard was even slightly realistic with numbers every race in Azeroth should be near the brink of extinction. As it is, I expect once we all comeback from SL both factions will be generally none the worse for wear and back to hitting each other.
If the Alliance is in bad a shape so is the Horde. And Forsaken more so then most particularly because they cant make more people. Unlike every other race in WoW. Again, as mentioned multiple times the Horde is strain as it is and was even the reason they initially did not want the Vulpera to join.
Again, at this point neither of us will convince each other and the only thing that can answer this is the new Kalimdor book or the Sylvanas one.
You forgot one. Remember the living refugees remained in Southshore and Hillsbrad Farms.
I think this would be your 3 of 4
The Lordaeron survivors in Stormwind are all dead because BFA or something but somehow the Native SW Population Pre First War is still the majority of Stormwind despite most of that population being:
1.) Killed off during the First War
2.) More of them falling in battle during the Second War (and possibly attacks on other Civilian Areas)
3.) Many not even returning back to Stormwind after it was rebuilt.
Who tf is Nathaniel?
THAN STOP QUOTING THEM!!! You keep using a in game citation about the forsaken population as if it was the bible but at soon as we do the same about a in game citation about the Stormwind population, you just denied it as if everything that was in game wasn’t canon…
Its so simple to you, everything in game that you like is canon and everything you don’t like apparently don’t make sense and shouldn’t be considered…
Why don’t you tell Dread that? Again, there is literally no lore and yet somehow you and Dread are so sure of the the Forsaken outnumber the Lordearon survivors when we dont know what has happened/what will ultimately happen/how many are even left of the two groups.
And genocide seem to ultimately have effect on anyone. Heck, the Blood elves got genocided, had a civil war then had their people die to who knows how many Horde wars and yet you are not arguing they should be on the brink of extinction.
So far, as much as you clain I am only picking the lore I like you and Dread are doing the same.
And what don’t you tell that to your friend earlier in the thread that claimed that the alliance lordaeron survivor should be more in number because apparently, only forsaken can die…
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There is lore.
The lore is that Genn stated Stormwind was screwed back in 8.2
The lore is that Nathaniel stated that Orgrimmar’s troops were depleted in 8.3
The lore is that Sylvanas evacuated Lordaeron before it fell.
The lore is that Malfurion and Tyrande killed blood elves, orcs, and undead night elves but not Forsaken.
You know nothin’, Jon Snow.
Who is Nathaniel?!?!?!
I’ll never tell.
I guess I must have been imagining all the undead we ended up killing in Darkshore.
Last I checked Ogrimmar’s troops at the time would have included the forsaken because they were all squatting there.
It depends what losses or gains you’re talking about, I think.
Alliance main characters who die or leave the Alliance?
Varian, Bolvar
Alliance characters who die or leave the Alliance?
Calia, Delaryn, to name two.
Bolvar announced this very expansion that he is sworn to King Anduin Wrynn.
Delaryn was literally created for this very purpose: To die and to later join the Horde.
Bolvar’s still a main character who left the Alliance when he became Lich King. Him returning in Shadowlands doesnt’ change that. You’ve kind of got a point about Delaryn, so I’ll cite Fandral Staghelm instead.