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It has high elves, but not in any numbers as to equate them being a country.
Citation: Legionâs Blizzcon, Ionâs interview with FatBossTV.
I mean, they were, yes.
Now theyâre cursed creatures.
Do you believe that Night Elves are still Trolls?
That Dwarves are still golems?
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You have to consider the history of why that is though. Most High Elves seperated from Quelâthalas in the Second War because they jumped through a portal in which they couldnât return. They were unwaware that while they were away, the Convocation of Silvermoon pulled out of the Alliance and became isolationists, a choice that many in Quelâthalas did not agree with. And up until MoP, there was poisitioning for Quelâthalas to rejoin the Alliance. If Gilneas and Kul Tiras can return to the Alliance so can Quelâthalas and the Forsaken of Lordaeron. (Even though I donât personally want this, I canât deny itâs canon.)
Itâs hard to tell how many blood elves would have supported the restablishment of the Quelâdorei kingdom rejoinging the Alliance because we never got to that point before the Purge of Dalaran happened. But we can assume it was most of the Blood Elves current leadership, if not all and a large chunk of Blood elves still loyal to Quelâthalas over loyalty to the Horde.
Half the blood elf population is enough to be considered itâs own country. (Even if the Quelâdorei numbers took a huge hit in the Third War.)
The distinction is closer to zandalari troll and darkspear.
Heck Elisande seem to treat the different branches as wayward cousins more then a diffirent species. Also:
Does Alleria still consider herself a high elf? Can one be both a high elf and a void elf?
Characters in Azeroth donât think in terms of customization options or gameplay choices.
Alleria is a child of QuelâThalas and a solider of the Alliance. She returned after 1000 years to find most of her surviving kin switched political affiliation. Didnât change who she is.-Steve Danuser
Lorâthemar was worried that the blood elves would choose the Horde over him if he called for a rebellion during BFA.
This faerie tale that blood elves arenât Horde-Loyal is exactly that: A faerie tale.
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Lorthemar is not commited to the Horde.
You are joking right?
While, the Purge of Dalaran did cement the blood elves in the Horde. The Blood elf loyality to the Horde isnât woven into the tapestry of the Horde. Bloodelves (and Forsaken) are still outcasts. Lorthemar has a more personal reason now to stay since the Alliance excluded the Nightborne too, and his moonlily, or whatever, is in the Horde now.
If the Nightborne were Alliance he would change his tune real quick.
Someone has slept through MoP and every expansion thereafter.
To be clear, that someone isnât me.
No.
The distinction is closer to MU Orcs and Magâhar.
Do you think the greenies are Magâhar?
Got bad news for you if so.
Lorthemar is anti-Jaina.
That doesnât make him pro-Horde.
Lorthemar is loyal to Quelâthalas first. And thatâs why we love him. But he wonât lift a finger to help the Horde or any of his allies, and thatâs why we also hate him. Itâs complicated.
By âweâ I mean me.
Lorâthemar is anti Alliance. Varian spells that out in MoP.
Lorâthemar leads the Horde forces in MoP whilst Volâjin is on his monk vacation.
Lorâthemar states that if it comes to it, he will become Warchief.
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Garrosh for example does not seem to make a distinction. He keeps saying a âtrue orcâ which encompasses both any greenskin orc and himself a magâhar orc.
At best they seem to see it the way we consider skin color. We are all still the same race even if we all call ourselves different names/have different skin color.
Game wide population, versus raid population, versus competitive PvP, versus M+, etc⌠are all different things.
I started on launch day, as Alliance, I Faction Changed some characters in Cataclysm. I was far more aggressive as a player in Vanilla, BC, Wrath, and intended to continue progression raiding in Cata. The raid size change in BC was absolutely savage on guilds, then the bad balance choices across Wrath meant progression players were increasingly pushed to min/max. It went to 11 in Cata and, for me especially, reached a crescendo of being fed-up with what was the same stuff stuck together different.
A ton of us got bored with being on one side for so long, then we just blew up at the game in Cata. In Legion with M+, some friends and I thought weâd do that, but with the early balance work we just burned out again.
All of that is a long way to say. No, itâs not just story. Progression players as a group have very little care for story.
As a game, for fun, you are right, Alliance needs development. That is not something that can be done by tearing up another playable race. The entire game needs development beyond mindless repetition of past storylines.
Well, people need to drop their IRL lens good/bad view of Light/Dark. It isnât how the story is being developed.
Pure Light and Shadow are also outside time, thus how we end up with Yrel back at some point.
The Locus-Walker kept her firmly afloat. âYou have known the Shadow as nothing but horrors. The Shadow sees the Light in the same way. Neither viewpoint is true. Neither is wrong.â
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Pfffft.
Empty promises from a man who is tired and hates the burdens of leadership. Heâs big talk but when push comes to shove⌠heâs too busy with rebuilding Quelâthalas.
And⌠Quelâthalas still 15 years after the Third War isnât rebuilt.
If thatâs your horse and you wanna back him be my guest. But⌠I wouldnât put all my eggs in that basket.
Have you read In the Shadows of the Sun?
Everything in American culture and literature suggests this man is the perfect leader because he isnât compromised â or worse â seduced by power.
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We are not talking about American politics.
We are talking about Azeroth politics. And while Lorthemar is a good politician and political leader, he also has flaws that poke giant holes in his ability to successfully lead. 1) being his inaction in any circumstance. 2) his loyality only to his own peopleâs cause which makes him seem uncommited or his unwillingness to take any political risks which can paint him as cowardly (Heâs not cowardly at all, itâs just an example. Although he has been accused by other in game characters as lacking a spine so I think this criticism of his character is valid because itâs canon.)
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Sure we are. This is a game made by American game developers.
HE LITERALLY LED THE HORDE IN MOP
Thisâs headcanon. Weâve never seen Lorâthemar ever worried about appearing cowardly.
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He literally didnât. Voljin lead the Horde via the Darkspear Rebellion in MoP after Theramore. Lorthemar lead The Sunreaver expedition to The Isle of Thunder, where he clashed with Jaina and The Silver Covenant over the events of the Purge of Dalaran. Lorthemar was angry because the Purge of Dalaran stopped all talks of the Blood Elves rejoining the Alliance. Jaina was wrongly targeting the Sunreavers despite Lorthemarâs out right refusal to support Garroshâs bombing of Theramore.
Just because heâs not concetned about appearing cowardly doesnât mean that he isnât looked down upon or judged but other characters as being politically cowardly or lacking a spine. Itâs literally canon that some of his allies in the Horde see him as being a poor ally.
Itâs literally canon that some Blood elves see him as a poor leader and prefered Kaelâthas even though Kaelâthas was reckless.
And itâs good that we can see characters internal monologues in the books and stories because even Lorthemar doubts if Lorthemar is a good leader.
(We stan a self aware King in this house 
we means me. I stan this beautiful trainwreck of a man)
In the last patch. Lorâthemar led the Horde until then.
lmao
provide examples.
Whats the Point at the moment? You will continue to discuss in circleâŚ
Eh I think Stormwind was good in classic. I replayed the human zones not that long ago and Defias/Duskwood story still holds strong (especially when you compare them to the aberration human zones are post Kosakclysm). The unmasking Onyxia questline which ends with you going to the throne room is still one of my favorite questlines in the game 17 years later.
Imo, the thing that really damaged the Alliance identity in classic were the Argents. Blizzard didnât have enough time to properly flesh out the Plaguelands (and a lot of other level 40+ zones) so they made Argents be a thing for both factions. It would have been much better if we had some breakaway Scarlet faction as the Alliance representation there.
Of course Argents only got more cancerous for the Alliance narrative as time went on, especially in Cata, where we lost Southshore and Gilneas for LARPing Argent orc guards in human armor at Hearthglen. Oh well.
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