For those against sharding at launch

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

If what you want from Classic basically boils down to only sharding, you need to re-think your priorities. There’s more to the game than that.

Sharding completely works against one of the core points of classic. Community.
You can keep your anti vanilla, anti community cancer out.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Hope you enjoy being unable to log in and play the game because the server keeps crashing from all the people clogging Silithus then. Sounds like a truly fun time.

/s

I will be loving the authenticity.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

People are willing to put up with a lot more than Blizzard gives them credit for. And cow-towing to a vocal minority in an attempt to remove any potential inconvenience has lead to an empty and shallow game that hardly resembles an mmorpg.

Based on the many threads on the subject, it seems like the silent majority’s opinion is “They’re going to do it for launch, I hope it doesn’t go further” instead of “If they do it at all, I quit”.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

None of them were even remotely as successful as the games out today.

Lol what? Modern games are failing because of design alone. Micro this, dlc that.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

The issue is I can’t remember a single time, in my almost ten years of playing, when server crashes and login queues weren’t regarded with utter disdain from anyone who wasn’t a sadistic jerk who liked seeing others being miserable to begin with.

Not doing anything to prevent their customers from being unable to play the game is very consumer-unfriendly. I’m sorry you’re so hung up on your own nostalgia to realize that.

Personally I’d prefer Blizzard find some other solution to this problem than sharding but I don’t think there is another solution, so that’s the one I’ll be defending until they come out and announce they found another one.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

You’re seriously comparing WoW to basketball?

No. My point was that someone who was actually there is going to know more about how epic something was over someone who wasn’t.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

The issue is I can’t remember a single time, in my almost ten years of playing, when server crashes and login queues weren’t regarded with utter disdain from anyone who wasn’t a sadistic jerk who liked seeing others being miserable to begin with.

During the first 4 years, it was considered the price of playing an awesome game. No one liked it, but that didn’t mean we were walking away from the adventure.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

People are willing to put up with a lot more than Blizzard gives them credit for. And cow-towing to a vocal minority in an attempt to remove any potential inconvenience has lead to an empty and shallow game that hardly resembles an mmorpg.

Based on the many threads on the subject, it seems like the silent majority’s opinion is “They’re going to do it for launch, I hope it doesn’t go further” instead of “If they do it at all, I quit”.

I didn’t even say I would quit. I’d probably grudgingly accept a few days in the 1-10 area. And it pains me to say that.

But my point is when it comes to things like quest competition, node competition, etc…basically the ‘problems’ some ascribe to too many players, the Vanilla enthusiasts will deal with it.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

But my point is when it comes to things like quest competition, node competition, etc…basically the ‘problems’ some ascribe to too many players, the Vanilla enthusiasts will deal with it.

And I’m totally on board with that. I look forward to fighting over hoofless Zhevras and beakless Plainstriders. And going “Black Lotus? That’s made up.”

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

I won’t quit either. I’ll play whether there’s sharding or not.

The only thing that’d make me quit is either compulsory expansions or regularly-scheduled character wipes.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Look at the current launch of the most recent Illegal Server. They’ve been using Dynamic Respawns and had a launch population of about 4 thousand players. It was absolute insanity and there’s no chance blizzard lets that kind of thing happen on classic launch

Laeric, you’re making the case for them not to use sharding for even launch. If it’s being done for server stability, clearly it’s not a solution; it’s a band-aid. So what happens when events like AQ occur? Or huge world pvp battles, or city raids? Well, obviously your desire is “Shard them!” Which is what Blizzard has said they aren’t going to do. So find a real solution. I don’t know what that solution is…but they’re the billion dollar company. Figure something out.

Lactic has already admitted to advocating sharding be used throughout the game in perpetuity.

That does not necessarily mean thatvhecwants sharding active 24/7 everywhere, but the second there might be a queue, sharding better kick in. The second someone might be inconvenienced by having to wait for a quest mob yo redrawn, sharding better kick in. The second someone experiences a little inconvenient lag, sharding better kick in.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

Buzz off, Fesz. I’m getting tired of being willfully misrepresented by people like you just to make a point.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

We really need a blue post on their current thinking with specifics and what they will commit to and won’t. As it stands we’re arguing mostly increments or are Laeric.

[Vidget-illidan (Vidget)]

One important thing to remember is that servers are virtual nowadays. You’re no longer limited to the hardware of a single CPU and RAM setup, you can essentially funnel the power equal to hundreds of servers to a single zone if you want to.

This allows for them to figure out a special solution just for the AQ launch. Since they know ahead of time when it’s coming they can crank up the hardware to max just for silithus during that event, they just need to plan for it.

Another thing is that the actions per minute is a lot lower when playing a vanilla character compared to a BfA character so the stress on both the server and the client is a lot lower than something would be on live.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

We really need a blue post on their current thinking with specifics and what they will commit to and won’t. As it stands we’re arguing mostly increments or are Laeric.

Its really quite simple.
Blizzard shards post launch, for any reason, and i walk away. For good.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Its really quite simple.
Blizzard shards post launch, for any reason, and i walk away. For good.

Yes, all of us besides Laeric are on board with that.

Its the launch period that we’re arguing increments over.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

One important thing to remember is that servers are virtual nowadays. You’re no longer limited to the hardware of a single CPU and RAM setup, you can essentially funnel the power equal to hundreds of servers to a single zone if you want to.

This allows for them to figure out a special solution just for the AQ launch. Since they know ahead of time when it’s coming they can crank up the hardware to max just for silithus during that event, they just need to plan for it.

Is any of that confirmed?

Another thing is that the actions per minute is a lot lower when playing a vanilla character compared to a BfA character so the stress on both the server and the client is a lot lower than something would be on live.

That’s valid and should help ease the load.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

Like I said… I’ll still play whether it’s there or not. It’s not a deal-breaker for me at all.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Is any of that confirmed?

I’ll let you know after the AQ event

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

But for the majority of the people it is. Did you see the response when it was seen that sharding was in the demo alone?