Follower dungeon XP watch

[Diablognomis-staghelm]

@Cayna-hyjal

@Flipznstuff-stormrage

This whole thing is a bad idea.

Why??

• It’s probably a pretty expensive endeavour.
• It will probably increase the cost of making all future dungeons.
• Its purpose is unclear. If it’s to train people how to run with a group, and it’s not an actual machine learning AI that learns from how people do run dungeons, it’s just going to teach people how bots run dungeons.
• It will serve as wedge issue for endless requests for loot bearing m+ and raid with followers.
• Long term it will probably be as engaging as any other solo player content, which isn’t that engaging.

[Omedon-thorium-brotherhood (Omedon)]

I have already received a “Thank you for the feedback, we’re monitoring feedback on it. Appreciate it” and “we hear you” on twitter, and I am using the in game tool now. I encourage others to do the same. Calmly.

I want to be reasonable here. No one sane is asking it to usurp LFD, there should be a premium for moving the queue and engaging with the crapshoot that the community can be… but putting it behind pet battles and gathering BY WHOLE ENTIRE DIGITS is just ridiculous.

I leveled entire jobs in FFXIV with 3-4 runs of the same dungeon per level with their NPC parties, and count that as some of the best non-MSQ gameplay time spent in their game. I always said “if WoW does this, they win,” as WoW has the best dungeons in MMORPGs, hands down, and that opinion is formed from copious experience.

Those in this thread and others related to the topic, please use the proper channels and be respectful, but convey your feelings. They are valid. We aren’t crazy. MMOs can hold us and those that really want that interdependent experience just fine without robbing either.

At the end of the day, those who leave “queueing as a rule” for follower dungeons… probably didn’t want to be in queue, or would like to try a role, in a leveling capacity without judgment. Nothing in that desire says “deprive them of XP then” to someone arguing in good faith.

Finally, and to reiterate, this isn’t just a solo activity, this is a “my wife and I just want to play together without complications” activity. This is a 1-4 player activity that is set before the level cap, which means the XP should respect the time spent. It hurts no one to have this undertaking do so.

[Verminard-shuhalo]

@Liolang-daggerspine

People avoid dungeons for a reason. Either a person issue…or like me, I HATE players in this game. The behavior in 5 man runs made me go from loving it to dreading even clicking the icon to sign up for a dungeon. Cant stand them at all now.

QFT. I love this game and have played since launch, but the players? Yeah.

If I dont know you IRL, it better be a quick group for kill or quest then done. I have no desire to become a best friend online.

Honestly, most people are treated like NPCs in this game anyway by almost everyone.

[Breadisfunny-turalyon (Breadisfunny)]

yeah after teasing it for HOW many weeks without stating its intent?

[Mystraele-shadowsong (Mystraele)]

Latest development:

Follower dungeons

With a hotfix that went out to all realms at 2:35 p.m. PST (about 10 minutes ago), we’ve greatly increased the amount of XP you’ll get alongside followers. Throughout the PTR, your XP was reduced by 20% per follower, so if you ran a dungeon with two friends and two followers with you, XP was reduced by 40%. If you went in solo with four followers, XP was reduced by 80%. Now in the live game, each follower causes a 5% XP reduction. Your party of three players and two followers should see a tota…

Appreciate that they’ve backpedaled a bit on this, but still don’t understand why there’s an xp reduction at all.

[Omedon-thorium-brotherhood (Omedon)]

@Mystraele-shadowsong

Latest development:

I’ll take it! This is all I wanted! As a foundation that can be added to, this is more than ok! I intended to play only rested anyway so this is fine for me to start!

[Hoofdini-moon-guard]

@Nikolo-proudmoore

@Liolang-daggerspine

ie yet another feature that could have been a great addition blown to crap because of…yet again, bad decisions and control issues.

And this is why they should never add new systems to this game…

Blizz: Hey we heard you want a system to allow you to learn mechanics at your own pace. Here you go.

SOME Players: HOW DARE YOU INTRODUCE A SYSTEM THAT DOESN’T GIVE GREAT XP AND NOT LET ME USE IT TO AVOID OTHER PLAYERS!!! Wasted effort, control issues, etc etc…

They were pretty upfront with their intent when they announced follower dungeons. I don’t know why anyone would be surprised. And I’m sure Blizz would be ok if you didn’t use it. They capped your daily usage to 10 dungeons anyway.

except…they didnt say that. The programmed the feature in the PTR WITH FULL XP. They wait till the last moment before nerfing it. Classic monkey paw. I know that I will not be buying the next expansion until I can see what they monkey paw in that.

[Ogom-kul-tiras]

So disappointing. I know there had to be at least one team putting a ton of work into this feature, but now I just have to wonder why? Who and what did they think they were making this for?

[Hoofdini-moon-guard]

@Metasia-lightninghoof

It was billed as a learning and gearing tool.

Its not for gearing. 1 random item drop for an entire dungeon? nope

[Diablognomis-staghelm]

@Ogom-kul-tiras

Who and what did they think they were making this for?

I suspect two things were pushing for this. The anti “Go Go Go” complaints and developers that thought it looked like something that was going to be a fun challenge. I’ve made that mistake in my career.

[Omedon-thorium-brotherhood (Omedon)]

Thanks again for pointing this out, I’ve made an edit to the OP as well with this link!

[Hoofdini-moon-guard]

@Pb-grizzly-hills

@Merpish-sargeras

Yes but Proving Grounds acted as a gatekeeping mechanism to end game content.

Swear I said that in my post…? But, as people have been fangirling all along this thread, if it’s truly a way of “learning how to do your class/role”, then they already had Proving Grounds sitting around…take the gatekeeping away and voila!

I don’t buy that they made the follower dungeons to do the same thing…I think that they were going to be a solo regular dungeon experience that people could opt to do instead of using the RDF.

Island expeditions looked cool…until they gutted them.
Warfronts looked cool…until they gutted them.
Scenarios were actually cool…until they nerfed, gutted, nerfed…you get the idea.

Still predict that there will be an initial try-out period and then a wind down to crickets and bots once people get a handle on there being no real benefits to using it.

I tried it 1 time today. No more. 464 xp for a boss a 1 piece of gear at the end. waste of development time. The devs hyped it like filet mignon and delivered a baloney sandwich.

[Hoofdini-moon-guard]

@Flipznstuff-stormrage

Because wow isn’t and shouldn’t be a single
player game. And this will only be the beginning.

right. get rid of wpvp and make pvp be BG only. that will help player retention. That is if the game is supposed to be group only. if not then it is fine.

[Hoofdini-moon-guard]

@Rhane-shadowsong

@Cayna-hyjal

@Rhane-shadowsong

Just join a group. Good lord it’s not that big of a deal.

Maybe if there is ever an end to the go go go mentality. If not then hard pass.

I’ll take AI anytime.

LIST YOUR OWN KEY.

PUT IN THE DESCRIPTION “GOING SLOW WANT TO STOP TO MINE AND PICK FLOWERS”.

FIND OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY THE SAME WAY AND DO THAT.

Why is this so hard ? Everyone on this forum loves to complain about things that you are 100% able to fix yourself.

this isnt M+ no key. just thought you should know. With this mess, If I want to learn a new spec I can just cue and let the other players deal with it. Sounds like fun.

[Pb-grizzly-hills]

@Hoofdini-moon-guard

I tried it 1 time today. No more. 464 xp for a boss a 1 piece of gear at the end. waste of development time. The devs hyped it like filet mignon and delivered a baloney sandwich.

Was that 1 piece of gear completely random or at least usable for your class?

[Hoofdini-moon-guard]

it was usable. not very good, but usable.

[Hoofdini-moon-guard]

@Prysmatix-ashkandi

Thats like taking a car and using it as a paperweight and wondering why you are stuck having to walk everywhere. They shouldnt be mad when they are deliberately using things outside of their intended usage XD

If that was the intended use they wouldnt have programmed it with xp rewards, only to nuke it 2 days out. They knew perfectly well what was happening.

[Furrfist-frostmourne]

I think this is what makes ‘debates’ over these things so funny. People finding logical reasoning to Blizzard’s decisions when they have shown repeatedly that they’re a hot mess, all over the place, and out of touch.

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Pb-grizzly-hills

and then a wind down to crickets and bots once people get a handle on there being no real benefits to using it.

it’s supposed to be an alternative, not necessarily a superior one. i don’t think the designers have said they want solo players to be rewarded more than anyone else, that’s something people here invented.

[Hoofdini-moon-guard]

@Omedon-thorium-brotherhood

@Mystraele-shadowsong

Just did the beginning of a follower dungeon on live and can confirm that it rewards the lower xp as seen on the PTR over the last few days. 88-91 xp on my level 61 druid for the first few mobs in Halls. Totally not useful for leveling at all.

Ok, first of all, thank you for scouting this out. This was literally a major reason why I started this thread, as I knew I’d be at work when the patch dropped, so thank you for your service.

Serious question: What are the avenues for giving feedback effectively on this front? We are in an era of “listening” and I want to be reasonable, constructive, and non-ragey. Where is the best place to do that?

Blizzard doesnt give a damn what we think. they are busy catering to their wanna be esports raiders. They will just bull ahead and keep lying.