Flying ruins the game

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

Because that isn’t a thing. Flying up a mountain isn’t something worth designing around.

Rubbish. Quest hubs in BC required flying. Stop talking for the developers.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

Because that isn’t a thing.

Netherwing, Skyguard, Nazjatar, Deepholm… all built with flying in mind.

They could do that to the entire expansion if they chose. They don’t choose to.

Having both content on the ground and built around flying means double the content. I wish they’d do that.

[Powercrystal-faerlina]

I’ve been stuck on my Classic characters on my PC all day. I looked up ways to fix it. There’s not much to be done. Relog and hope it works. I relogged. Couldn’t log back in. Finally got back in. Still stuck on Classic characters. On three different browsers.

I have to stick to my phone to post on Rhielle.

I was stuck posting on another character for a bit, then I tried clearing my browsing cache, cookies, history ect and that worked for me for some weird reason. Dunno if it would work for you.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

Sadly I did all of that. Whole lot of nuthin’.

[Stabmcstabby-aegwynn]

What year is this? 2007? Are we in TBC right now?

[Glaire-benediction]

Rubbish. Quest hubs in BC required flying. Stop talking for the developers.

And that wasn’t interesting. Not interesting enough to entirely change how designing the world is approached. Flying up some chasm that doesn’t have a path going up it isn’t content. This isn’t a flying game, our toons (outside of Druids) don’t have wings coming out of their backs. So stop pushing for a design as if they do. It makes the game feel arcadey.
Occasional zone? Sure, but they aren’t going to do it just to satisfy people who find ground travel(you know, the way living beings travel in 99% of cases) tedious.

And I’m not pushing to “remove” flight, but I think how flight works in WoW makes WoW a lesser game.

[Darien-tichondrius (Darien)]

As classic has proven, wow from the ground is how the game is meant to played

In no way does Classic prove this. Turn on flying and see if the game improves (It will).

The reason Classic is bad is because it revels in wasting your time. Flying reduces the time sink.

Every expansion with Pathfinder proves the game is better with flying because everyone races to unlock it ASAP and then the game improves.

We first got flying in BC and everyone loved it. Except for Blizzard. They have worked for years to brainwash little sheep like you into joining “Team Ground”.

Why does Blizzard hate flying? Because it exposes the real issue: Their content sucks now and people are leaving. Without changing the game to force players together, even with Cross-Realm Sharding, WoW is a ghost town.

There were still lots of people fighting over lots of objectives out in the world when the game was better.

Wpvp is dead again

Good. WPVP makes no lore or gameplay sense.

The prospect of a fair fight in WPVP is almost unheard of. Either you gank someone or get ganked. It’s not compelling gameplay unless you’re an awful person.

[Glaivedancer-area-52]

You can hate flying all you want, debate and discuss it.

At the end of the day flying will never be removed regardless, so I’m deciding to not warrant a response as to why I like it as it doesn’t matter, it’s not going away.

[Aerordin-emerald-dream]

The game was designed with flying in mind at max level from Burning Crusade all the way until Warlords of Draenor without issue. TBC, WOTLK, Cata, and MoP all made use of flying to give access to daily hubs and even raid/dungeon entrances and cleverly included mechanics in some zones to make it interactive. Your argument doesn’t hold weight against four expansions.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

And that wasn’t interesting.

I loved the Netherwing quests. And the fear of getting shot down by fel bombardments. And forgetting I was flying over Horde hubs and being shot down. And having a mass of birds trying to kill me.

I loved flying through Deepholm. I loved the Cloud Serpent quests.

Your opinion is not fact.

[Powercrystal-faerlina]

You need to review your “facts”.

But his facts are totally correct there is nothing false or subjective about his statement…unless you would like to give us a source to prove otherwise

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

If you don’t like flying then don’t fly.

Players should not be hindered because the developers think their content can be skipped or cheesed.

They can’t backpedal on it being too hard to design either for the exitance of the Great Worms from beyond is proof that content can be designed with flying limitations in mind.

What it boils down to is a developers being stubborn and corporate.

[Glaire-benediction]

If you don’t like flying then don’t fly.

You’re basically just telling me to ignore anything you have to say on this topic if you seriously say this. It’s intellectually dishonest at best.

But his facts are totally correct there is nothing false or subjective about his statement…unless you would like to give us a source to prove otherwise

He brought up no facts lol.

I loved the Netherwing quests. And the fear of getting shot down by fel bombardments. And forgetting I was flying over Horde hubs and being shot down. And having a mass of birds trying to kill me.

I loved flying through Deepholm. I loved the Cloud Serpent quests.

Your opinion is not fact.

Ok? So now the whole game has to be designed like that? When you design a game with flying in mind, it means the game’s meant to be played with flight. Which isn’t something I or the developers seem to want.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

It’s intellectually dishonest at best.

How is someone telling you not to do something you don’t want to do “intellectually dishonest”?

When you design a game with flying in mind, it means the game’s meant to be played with flight.

And yet four expansions were designed with flight in mind where we had content on the ground and in the air.

That’s not opinion. That’s fact.

Which isn’t something I or the developers seem to want.

And yet it’s something others want. And considering Naz and the stuff we’ve got trying to kill us in the sky exist, I’d say the developers are starting to get the point of “design some content around flying.”

Please explain what’s so wrong about ground content and flying content to double the amount of stuff we can do.

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

You’re basically just telling me to ignore anything you have to say on this topic if you seriously say this. It’s intellectually dishonest at best.

So what I’m just suppose to accept your way or the highway which coincidentally aligns with the developers design philosophy?

I can live with or without flying but flying is a cool nifty feature which players will just go get somewhere else since Blizzard likes locking it up behind a grind gate and calling it fair. There’s not even a story reason to restrict our flying its just taken from us until the devs decide they want to give us that freedom back.

Its just moronic on an almost childish level. If it breaks their game then they should come out and say it not treat it like a bad skin rash.

[Xazaloa-daggerspine]

It’s really not debatable whether flying deteriorates the WoW experience, it does

it does for YOU.
for US, sorry but it doesnt.
Next question.

[Glaire-benediction]

So what I’m just suppose to accept your way or the highway which coincidentally aligns with the developers design philosophy?

It coincides with most game developers, as most games with humanoids in them don’t have the players lifting into the air at a whim.

I can live with or without flying but flying is a cool nifty feature which players will just go get somewhere else since Blizzard likes locking it up behind a grind gate and calling it fair. There’s not even a story reason to restrict our flying its just taken from us until the devs decide they want to give us that freedom back.

It’s literally fair, roughly 50/50 flight/no-flight. Pushing for flight in the first month is what’s unfair. I wouldn’t care if they ditched Pathfinder as long as the wait stayed.

If it breaks their game then they should come out and say it not treat it like a bad skin rash.

They have… they’ve explained their reasons for not liking it at least a couple times.

How is someone telling you not to do something you don’t want to do “intellectually dishonest”?

Because it’s ignoring the reality of how the game works. No one who isn’t heavily roleplaying is going to ignore a 200% speed increase and the ability to pass almost everything in the world, especially in a game where part of the draw of the gameplay is being efficient. It’s game balance 101. People use OP things whether they prefer them or not. It’s a borderline law of nature.

[Xazaloa-daggerspine]

You’re basically just telling me to ignore anything you have to say on this topic if you seriously say this. It’s intellectually dishonest at best.

uh…actually its spot on.
I choose not to pet battle.
You can choose to not fly…without ruining the game for the rest of us.

[Inaibee-shandris (Inaibee)]

True.

Op knows flying is necessary for WoW.

[Kynbrine-moon-guard]

All no-flying does it make the game more of a time sink. It really doesn’t add anything to the experience. If it’s “Your skipping the trash mobs that add so much to the experience!” Then I totally disagree, first off I can “skip” everything by using the mount equipment which makes it virtually impossible for things to dismount me. It just takes me longer to get around on the road. If anything the Great Worms in Uldum and the Vale were more of an obstacle than anything I dealt with on the ground because what do you know! I can still skip it! Flying just adds fun to the experience for many.