That complaint came out of nowhere for this thread.
While I would argue that P2W is a problem in gaming. Paying for gold earned by playing the game isn’t P2W. An argument can be made for people who sell tokens, but I am not one of those people. I make my gold by selling highly valuable items. I keep my gold costs low by having the ability to make everything myself.
Strawman arguments…
He stated getting flying was not that bad, and I was agreeing with him, but with the caveat that the expensive type of flying that actually was an improvement over the basic flight license, was much more expensive and more of a time sink for people to get.
Is it though? Making flying cost 100k basically says you can fly for $20. People WILL take that as an argument for P2W. GD will go to any means to complain about anything. Always has. Always will.
Understood. But I still think it was better the way it was before. MoP did it right in my opinion.
They tie rep to flying because that postpones our ability to fly. Same with Pathfinder.
Idk about anyone else, but I feel like I’ve been playing BfA for years now.
We need flying but now, I’m starting to think it’s not coming.
I guess they don’t want subs.
Sigh
Strawman argument…
The whole point to this thread isn’t even achievement vs gold. That is some strawman made by others that I walked down myself for awhile. I’m getting off it after this.
Back in BC, WotLK, Cata, and MoP flying was able to be obtain immediately after hitting max level. That was a fair compromise, not this garbage of wait half an expansion and be done doing WQs for months.
MoP did a lot of things right, but it was also before the inflation issues prompted in WoD, still present in Legion. Flying was still a chunk out of your gold, back then. Not to mention, as stated, for more than half the expansion, the bulk of players weren’t even in places they could actually fly. Isle of Thunder and Timeless Isle didn’t allow flying at all. So people had flying for all of eight months before it became far less useful for them.
Depends on who you ask. I don’t have the wallet to shell out an obscene price for every character. Most don’t. Not everyone has millions stocked up from the US Mint in WoD/Legion, but Blizzard will still jack the price way up to add a gold sink. Have you seen the AVERAGE cost of a bought mount released nowadays? Inflation is monstrous and paying over a token per character when raiding and high keys already has a super high maintenance fee is going to break people.
Exactly where does it say that players who want flight want to “skip everything and not engage in the word” (whatever the dookus that means)? I’m sorry, but that’s a ridiculous thing to say.
Your whole comment makes no real sense; I’m damned if I can figure out exactly what you do want. And as for Bornak’s comment - at least the part you quoted - mage portals have been in the game for a very long time. And nobody just sits in major cities unless they have a purpose in being there. And I don’t need to read anyone else’s opinions to form my own.
Ending with possibly the silliest part of all. What are you talking about? Get a handle on what? And we don’t need to fly in the current expansion? Need? How about want to. Or enjoy it. Or like flying. Or have more fun in the game with flight?
Seriously. You need to get a solid grip on how you actually think about stuff before you ramble.
I’d honestly rather play $20 for flying at the start of the expansion and be able to fly for the entire expansion than not be able to fly for a whole year.
I wouldn’t enjoy having to do it though and I would still be mad at Blizzard for removing flying and making it an issue to begin with. But it would still be better than having no flying and I’d actually be playing the game again instead of not playing it anymore at all.
With that said, don’t do it Blizzard. Pathfinder is not an awful system, just let us complete it at the start of the expansion instead of arbitrarily time gating it for no reason.
See, I can agree with that, allow it to be done right from the start, 100%. But that doesn’t seem to satisfy people…
I disagree. But my background comes from a PvP one. Flight was amazing back in MoP. Open zones, high and low terrain, beautiful zones and many other aspects. PvP Vendors was on the wall so we had to fly out there if we wanted to buy gear which led to tons of WPvP since players liked harassing each others vendors. Was a great time.
Even when we went to Thunder and Timeless Isle it led to even more WPvP hilarity. And again, I don’t think it would be a bad thing if they had Pathfinder unlock the ability to fly and then open up a whole new zone for exploration.
You can have flying early in an expansion to open up convenience but they need to at least design 1 zone with the idea of flight in mind. Like Storm Peaks and Deepholm.
Honestly can’t believe flying is still an “issue” when they are literally selling out and making the game a huge time gate so they can make more money off people.
The state of the game is going down the drain quickly as the company cashes out and people are just like “flying will fix everythin…hurdur…”
Who is disagreeing? I would be game no matter cost of gold or doing some achievement. Some crying pvper who doesn’t want to do a dungeon? I just want to be able to get flying at the launch. This time-gating is the frustrating part that I hear from people.
What?! Are you crazy?! People farmed the absolute heck out of treasure chests and rares for mounts and toys. Artifact appearances dropped off some Argus mobs and there was a title and achievements for killing X amount of demons and all of the rares…
Argus was constantly an active zone, far more than any other zone, by far. I didn’t even mention grinding those crystal currency thingers (forgot the name) to buy relinquished gear for alts, rolling on arcano crystals…
Argus also dropped higher ilvl rewards and WQ relics. Dude Argus was ALWAYS busy. Blizz incentive-ized it like that.
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<----- This is now my signature emoji btw. Dibs, it’s mine, deal with it GD.
Flying is part of that considering there’s a huge time gate on it, too. Trust me, you’re preaching to the choir here. I would bet that if you made a venn diagram of everyone who is tired of time gating everything in WoW and people who complain about flight being time gated, it would just be one big circle.
I mean if it’s that big of a problem have the achievement and right to fly be account wide. Boom. Problem solved.
If your background is a PVP one, then wouldn’t the bulk of your time be spent in instances? I hear you on the vendors, but that seems like a very niche situation. Unless you’re referring to world PVP in general, which again, the bulk of time you’d be in instances if you wanted the gear to actually be able to pull that off.
I had the most fun in terms of world PVP on the Timeless Isle, personally.
And thats all good and such, but the main appeal I have with the current system is getting flying while leveling. I doubt if they lessened the requirements to part 1 you would keep that. Could be wrong. Were
botg speculating.
With the whistle and faster ground speed I could absolutely care less if I can fly on my main characters. They are not out in the world long enough that 140(?)% speed, a whistle, and like 500 hearthstones is not enough to do my emissaries. Flying would save me like 4 minutes which means nothing since I’ll still be looking for PUGs in that time frame.
Good news - you could still do that if flying were activated tomorrow! 
We want “both”, not “one or the other”.