Flying is 'at a nice middle ground'

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I’d find the ‘pro-flyers’ a lot more credible if nearly every post I see from them wasn’t melodramatic and hyperbolic to the extreme. The way many talk, you’d think that they only played the game, ever, for flying. That it was a core game mechanic that just makes things so unplayable once it’s taken away. That running through all these beautifully crafted zones is such a hassle.

It’s clear that flying being taken out in WoD was a last ditch decision, I don’t dispute that, and that the pathfinder requirements that were added in the same expansion were too draconian, though I assume they were also last ditch.

But the requirements in Legion and the ones in BfA are, honestly, completely reasonable. Hell, in Legion you were able to get a brand new flying mount just for your class, along with a custom quest chain, out of it. I’m not sure if that will be the case in BfA, but people stating that the Pathfinder requirements were ‘too much’ in Legion aren’t being objective at all. The only people who found that Pathfinder painful were the ones who deliberately farmed Nethershard chests for hours on end just to get their stuff a week early. And that’s not on Blizzard, that’s on the people who would stick a fork in their eye if it meant ‘gaming the system’ in some way.

Not to mention, it’s not as though flying wasn’t gated before, they just slowly lowered the cost over time as it became an afterthought. And that’s what it was, for everyone, an afterthought. In BC the cost of getting fast flying was pretty steep for even one character, let alone all of them. And it remained steep for at least the average player for some time after, especially given that you were locked out of content if you couldn’t fly, for at least some of the expansions.

I think what they have now is quite reasonable. You get part one for just playing through the expansion content, once, the ‘rep grinds’ certainly short enough that anyone who is as passionate about flying as some of you claim would have done within the first month of the expansion.

Also, you don’t help your arguments at all by saying you want someone to lose their job because they do something you don’t like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pro-flying thread that wasn’t antagonistic in nature and directly trashing the devs over something that isn’t even gameplay. And that’s coming from someone who actively agrees that the way they took away flying so abruptly was clumsy.

552

I just dont understand why everyone is under the assumption every zone is going to turn into Argus. You are basing your opinion on one expansion out of 2 we have had pathfinder in. You could fly in every zone after getting Pathfinder in WoD. You could fly in ALMOST every zone in Legion. Its 1-1. It could go either way.

I am saying though that if we are unable to “fly” in the last zone this expansion there will at least be an actual reason. You can’t fly underwater last I checked. You will probably be able to fly above it though similarly to Vashjir if I were to guess.

553

People conveniently forget that we couldn’t fly in the last zone of Pandaria either. Or Isle of Thunder for that matter.

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554

Because like it or not, THATS the current version of flying/pathfinder we have and with no proof otherwise of them saying/doing something like “Every other expac no flying in new zones of second half of expac, and vice versa” is silliness.

The most recent version of pathfinder and flying/no-flying is exactly what it is. Which is why I say it is.

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555

I’m fine with that. Still doesn’t justify gating flight as hard as they are right now.

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556

Your “feeling” is based on your personal habits – if the ONLY zones you EVER visit are “latest expansion zones”, and you ONLY go there during the first few months of the expansion, then YOU cannot fly.

That is not a restriction on flying – that is based on YOUR personal habits. Everyone else happily flies everywhere, including all old zones and the new zones for 18 months. In Legion, I flew thousands of times.

The game was not designed for you (one player), or only for “players exactly like you”. The flying compromise is not between YOU (one player) and Blizzard.

How many years will it take to get it through your head? Blizzard does not allow flying in new expansions, for the first several months of an expansion. Period. Nobody (including Ion) said they are willing to compromise on THAT issue.

557

I barely do WQs on this character and such and reached exalted with all the factions in like early january. I had to go out of my way a tiny bit for Tortollan (wanted cooking), but you can hit Exalted barely paying attention to just emissaries in like 4 months. Revered is like HALF that requirement where you are also Honored+ with the three zone reps with loremaster. The only rep that is truly a slog to get REVERED are Magni/Tortollan because they are relatively inaccessible before 120 and have the least amount of WQs.

558

Oooh ohh pick me pick me! Mine are filled with logic and heart-felt emotional appeals!

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OMG drooling_face is actually an emoji. It’s so my personal signature now.

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I don’t find it’s being gated hard at all. I haven’t grinded specifically for flying, it’s just been a side effect. Try spending 5k for max flying on every max level toon you had in BC, on top of all the other spending, and tell me it’s being gated hard. I’ll take a free flying licence any day.

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FTFY. Flying is an important aspect of the game. For many it enhances the enjoyment of the game immensely. Removing flying as a mechanic of the game every expansion is just lazy. If Blizzard didn’t want us flying, they could design zones so that flying was inconvenient. Flying from quest to quest in Val’sharah was almost inconvenient at times. In areas around BC there were cannons that would shoot you down.

I think the cost is actually higher now then it was then. If you consider that time is money, then it is far more expensive. I’d readily shell out 10k gold for flying. Back in older expansions it was immediately available at max level, if you had the gold for it. Now it costs months to get it.

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561

Exactly, and if you really push for those, Magni in particular, you’re still only looking at like, two weeks, max.

562

You’re not taking into account inflation. If they priced it as they did back in BC, you wouldn’t be shelling out 10k gold, 10k gold is chump change. 5K in BC for the average player was still a lot, we’d just come out of Vanilla where the average player couldn’t even afford a swift mount. 5K for every single character? You’d be saving for a lot longer than eight months for that.

563

You’re missing the point friend. Sure charge me 100k gold w/e.

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That’s not gating though. That’s a clear goal that you can meet at any time be it preplanning for the next expansion drop or just making the gold after hitting max level.

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And it wasn’t half and half in legion. It was 3/4-1/4. You could fly in every zone available for like 4-5 months before Argus even came out. Everyone is also making an assumption that no one left Argus ever thus meaning you could fly nowhere. Last I checked 12/13 dungeons were in fly zones and 7/9(?) Emissaries were in flying zones. The only thing of note on Argus was the raid which conveniently had a teleport like 60 seconds away on a ground mount as well as the world boss which, like the raid, was not very far from a portal. The only change that I would have appreciated on Argus would have been the whistle transfering over. They gave you like 5 portals per zone that it would still be faster to take the portals than even 310% mount speed. The only exception to this is the very north of the first zone where you DO have to trek decently far.

566

That’s not much of an argument.

567

I had atleast 4 max level toons back in BC. It wasn’t that bad getting flying on them. The argument isn’t even gold vs achievement though. The argument put forth mostly in the expansion is the time-gate of flying.

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568

And then you all complain WoW is going P2W.

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Getting flying itself? No, getting the flight was doable. But the initial flight speed was what, 60% before they changed it down the road to 150%? Everyone wanted fast flying, that 280%.

570

How does flight speed play a part in this?