Flying is 'at a nice middle ground'

That’s a flight form perk. Go do that on a Rogue. Or a Priest. Or a Warrior. Or a Warlock. Or a Mage.

You get the idea.

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Amazing how quickly everyone forgets about Hooves lol. I miss hooves, and wish she would change her name back to that lol.

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Also Ion deserves all the blame he gets he STOLE flying from us and ruined a crucial part of Wow … And I dislike him for locking flying behind time gates and achievements.

I want to go back to the old ways like in Cata aka reach max level and you get to fly.

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You cut my quote in half. I said they have determined flying is not a large factor.

If that wasn’t true, and people really were leaving the game in large numbers due to pathfinder, they would have changed course. (Like they did in WoD)

Or do you believe that Blizzard is in the habit of making intentionally bad business decisions?

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There’s a lot of ways flight works for the game, too. A design challenge can lead to innovation and creativity. Blizzard makes neat things when flight is an active part of the game, like the giant flying city we’ve used as a hub for two expansions, or MoP’s dragon races, or a whole slate of class mounts in Legion.

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I made my own ‘compromise’ where I just did what wanted and called ‘middle ground’ too.
I quit playing WoW entirely and subbed to ESO.
Thats my ‘compromise’ to Ion and his wrecking crew.

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Oh. Well I learned something new. First Druid i’ve Leveled.

Yes I know that is what you said but you have no proof of that.

In some cases, yes

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How convenient that you also somehow forgot that you CAN’T do it on any of the other character classes you’ve leveled.

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So if you believe that statement is true which of the following options do you believe, because the options are very limited.:

A) They do not have the data, so cannot make an informed decision.

B) They have the data but ignore it, intentionally making a bad business decision.

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It’s B. There are plenty of game developers who care more about what THEY want than what the players want. Unfortunately for us, the WoW dev team is currently chock full of them.

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I think there is a whole lot of selective perception going on - i.e. they are stupid.

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Na, I think the current setup for flying is fine been like that for what…3 expansions now? Whats the benefits of flying, moving faster, skipping content going directly to objective, and dive bombing in pvp.
whats the drawbacks? skipping content, missing random opportunities you generally would see if you was on the ground, and dive bombing.

I don’t agree with your post, and I feel you are exaggerating and blowing things out of proportion, and I truly believe(know for a fact) ion doesn’t do things just to spite a portion of the player base. That’s just ridiculous and a typical thing you pro flyer kids like to say.

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The general opinion of Blizzard is that they are money hungry, with Activisions fingers in the cookie jar. We cannot make the claim on these forums that Blizzard is driven by profits, but then claim they are intentionally harming their own profits.

You have to ask yourself what is more likely:

Not as many people leave because of Pathfinder as I think.

Blizzard, a publicly traded company, intentionally makes bad financial decisions by ignoring all the data they collect. They do this specifically to protect the ego of Chilton. the guy who originally removed flight, who is no longer even on World of Warcraft.

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The benefit is to keep people interested in the game rather than spending 75% of their time tabbed out while on flight paths. People in a lot of cases just aren’t enjoying the game as much because of no flying and some of them aren’t even smart enough to realize what the issue is.

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This is the quote that wins the forums today because it explains every stubborn bad decision Blizzard has made since WoD and the coming level squish.

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It is incredibly stupid it has come down to this. There is no reason at all that we should not be able to fly when the first patch hits.

Pathfinder part 1 is fine, explore, quest in every zone, get rep with everyone. Ok fine, do that anyway leveling up. Part 2 is not needed.

They should do - part 1 lets you fly in the new expansion after the first patch hits.
part 2 lets you fly in whatever else is added (think broken shore). Then have other areas where there is no flying no matter what (like argus etc).

But time gating flying to this late after the expansion came out is bull.

Just checked my achievements and thought I’ld toss out this little crumb.

Purchased Legion - 9-3-16
Legion Pathfinder Part 1 - I earned on 1-2-17 … 4 months after purchase
Legion Pathfinder Part 2 - I earned on 4-28-17 … just under 4 months after earning part 1 … just under 8 months from purchase

Purchased BFA - Aug 17, 2018
BFA Pathfinder Part 1- I earned on 10-5-18 … just under 2 months after purchase
BFA Pathfinder Part 2 – not in game yet – already 6 months after earning part 1 and its been almost 8 months since purchase.

Who knows when exactly part 2 will be available, or what it will require. So it still needs to be implements, then earned … then we can fly.

Nah man this is messed up

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Wouldn’t you do the same if you was flying, just tab out…

The general opinion is wrong. I was talking to a WoW developer near the end of Burning Crusade about something that was unpopular, and he flat out said to me “It doesn’t matter if people don’t like it. WE like it.”

That was before the Activision merger, keep in mind.

There are plenty of game developers who only care about their ego, or “vision”, and don’t care about the happiness of their players. That isn’t just WoW, that’s every game and every publisher.

The sad thing right now is that there seems to be a majority of them on the current WoW dev team.

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