Fixing Cataclysm

Something you could have figured out when you did your first BG. That’s just the nature of random queueing.

Think about LFR like a sandbox. You make it more complicated than it is. Nobody in their right mind cared about LFR

Happens when you listen to feedback…

He’s not wrong. That’s just the nature of random grouping.

But at least, you don’t have to look for a group yourself if you don’t want to.

It’s not your prerogative and it’s certainly not mine to make that decision for you. But it’s blizzard’s business to try to maintain as healthy a game experience for as many people as possible. We can talk about why we think they do what they do, whether we agree or disagree, or what we want them to do different but it is literally blizzard’s Business.

Well not now because blizzard has added flex raiding and made it cross realm.

Which still doesn’t change the point that LFR was not just an automated tool slapped onto existing content.

Flex has nothing to do with LFR?

It’s the companie’s prerogative to decide what my 15 dollars is good for, even if that presents and unfair environment for access to content?

Sure it does as it solves the problem LFR was trying to solve.

What issue?

we’ve been hearing about this since 2006… it’s not the logistics that was the issue. How do I know? I killed kel’thuzad many times in Classic. Logistics didn’t simplify that much since then. We just moved from the guild website to the guild Discord.

Discord is zoomer Teamspeak/mIRC.

Accessibility to raids, LFR achieved that but only by being mind numbingly boring. Flex raiding solves the same problem especially now that it’s cross realm while still being somewhat interesting.

If flex solved the issue why is LFR still there? I don’t get your point. LFR was never an issue and it was originally created as a tourist mode and stayed like that. They just encountered an issue that the gap between LFR and “normal” raiding was to high and added a difficulty which also served as prototype for their “flexible” raiding. If LFR really was an issue they would have removed it like 10 years ago.

What I see you saying is the tools we have today greatly simplify the logistics of scheduling 40 people for a raid. That’s probably true.

Like I said LFR itself is not a problem, it just didn’t really address the issues it was supposed to address. Which is why flex raiding was added :slight_smile:

It def did solve the issue. It made people that would have not seen the raid before, see the raid.

Well it let them see a super watered down version. Which wasn’t really what a lot of people wanted, hence why flex raiding was added.

Thats exactly what people wanted. An automated system to see the raid. Referring to “sand box”.
They just encountered later that it unincentivized people doing harder content as the gap between LFR and normal was too high, thus added a new one.
It has nothing to do with LFR not solving the proposed issue.

no, the 40mans were limited by things such as “most players weren’t level cap”. Rushing to 60 and doing MC first reset to not miss a lockout is not how most players played Vanilla.

Nobody asked the 99% of players who did not do Naxx in Vanilla if this statistic bothered them - or if they even knew what Naxx is.

I didn’t do naxx in vanilla.
it didnt bother me.

But you just acknowledged it didn’t solve the problem, it didn’t let people get into the content that actually wanted to do :slight_smile: