You sound upset. Put down the pumpkin spice latte, put sex in the city on pause. Just take a deep breath and put your big girl panties on, things will be ok.
You donât have reading comprehension I assume? Because not only have I pointed out the issues, I have also proposed the fixes. And all the shaman players just outright refuse them, because surprise surprise when you play something thatâs insanely broken you are unwilling to admit it and accept nerfs.
Seals. Seals are all magic buffs that take a global to activate, and since SoD is based on vanilla, where you can prespam purge without it casting unless thereâs a valid target you can literally just macro it or spam it between cooldowns as you jump around like an idiot knowing that you are already favored in the matchup and eliminating a massive part of the paladins power by hard countering seals and judgement.
There is no SHOT you think that tank paladin is even VIABLE as a pvp spec, let alone on par with shaman tank options for PVP. This comes back to the REASON that shaman is so broken. You can get access to all the tank benefits regardless of spec and do well, as most of the stats and benefits have nothing to do directly with tanking, and are just stat and damage buffs across the board, while tank paladins rely heavily on weak abilities, deep prot talents, and have several stats that do not contribute heavily to PVP or their power is spread out over several runes and severally limits their power.
Prot paladin damage is based primarily on their shield block value and their main hand weapon damage, while tank shaman are focused on their spell damage. Any shaman will benefit massively from getting 30% more health, 10% damage reduced, and 6% less melee crit chance (something that works in BGs while defense does NOT) regardless of spec and stat focus. Where is the paladin getting benefit from more threat on righteous fury and a taunt? They arenât. The runes for shaman and shaman in general are too powerful per rune, and too unrestricted allowing for wide ranging power and combinations through multiple spec and gearing options. The only risk for a shaman tank is the inherent drawbacks on the runes they choose to use. The drawbacks for all the paladin runes are tied to their respective spec choices, especially the shock runes.
Paladin is one of the only classes in the game with an entire set of runes and playstyle completely locked to a capstone talent in their healing spec.
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Donât worry. Theyâll fix shaman byâŚ
âŚreintroducing Honor Decay.
Thereâs already been a significant âdie offâ of BG instances since R14 was opened up. And, as I understand it, Horde queue times are pretty bad - which means not as many Alliance are queueing.
So Blizzard being Blizzard, instead of fixing the underlying problem thatâs pushed Alliance out of BGs. Theyâll just try and force it.
When that fails, theyâll implement a script that will zero-out the durability on any Rank-requiring gear, where the player no longer holds that rank. While also making the Repair script check to see if youâre the right rank to repair the item. Thus theyâll force PVPers to maintain their ranks to keep using the PVP Gear.
Because, again, Blizzard actively refuses to make a fun game.
Yeah well paladins have divine light which actually heals them. And flash is way better than lhw cause it has a hot and if it crits it gets another hot as well. It is actually worth casting unlike lhw. Enh heals do absolutely nothing. That in combination with the malestrom wep nerf destroys their ability to survive.
It was already nerfed by p3 but sure bud. Required a shield and rockbiter on mh, complete trash for enh. Maybe meta for the BUM tank ele spec but not enh. And in p2 it was good against melee and worthless vs any good ranged player.
Not true at all enh did plenty of damage in p2 and p3. You would struggle to get to a target but when you did you could actually kill them. WF procs felt good and not worthless. And you could heal yourself well enough to not be dead before you got there. Now enh 100% relies on wolves and does 0 damage even with them up. And does 0 healing.
So yeah your wrong about them receiving only 1 PvP nerf. Enh was gutted and is one of the worst specs in the game now thanks to WHINER BABIES feat BUM devs.
So, one is a hard cast heal for 2.5 seconds, youâre never getting that off in combat unless youâre holy with someone there to buffer for you or during bubble. LHW is better than Flash UNLESS you are full holy healing. Because youâre only getting those hots and bonuses from the full holy runes. Thatâs the big deal. Paladins have to give up their offensive runes for their healing runes, a trade off that shaman donât have to make the same choices on as often.
Uh huh, and how do you think this applies to ret paladins? Itâs the exact same situation. But unlike shaman, paladins canât just swap some runes and be stronger. We require an entire respec and dedicated gearset.
Uh huh. That was the point. Because having perma-tanky shaman with no drawback or choice was a problem. Youâre not making a new argument here. All I keep hearing is âEnhance is the only thing I care about, so I will ignore the rest of the shaman class and only focus on this one.â
Then outline the nerfs. Because if your only argument is that WotE got a nerf in Phase 3, and enhance didnât scale, and they got one rune pass that wasnât unique to them youâre just wrong. So far all youâve focused on is exclusively enhance, a spec that was never the top tier of PVP to begin with and ignores the other 80% of the shaman class.
well honestly for some pure enh IS the shaman experience.
for some its ele but bleh.
enh has been nerfed many times including:
spell power and ALL HEALING POWER reduced or in the case of healing power removed entirely .
healing gutted in the fact that they cant use msw on anything but lhw and the earthshield and riptide reduced by 50% to where all the heals are not worth even using.
theres alot more to it but they have gutted all healing and sp from enh and gave them nothing in return.
theyve lost all danger on them getting to you and being on you and lack most scaling .
they are terrible.
Sure, but for some people prot paladin is the pure experience, should I be able to ignore all of ret and holy when talking about balance of the paladin class? Of course not.
None of this is a targeted shaman nerf, and not unique to shaman.
And the same thing happened to paladins, but unlike shaman paladins donât have a second spec that has well itemized gear that DIDNâT suffer that same penalty.
As an aside, been playing on my horde side recently during my break time, working on finishing some missing gear, and contemplating the issues with shaman and it clicked to me that so many of their runes are spec agnostic and have lots of power layered into them that the shaman can gain access to by simply chosing different imbues on their weapons.
Take burn for example. It has flametongue giving massive spell damage increase for elemental, 5 freaking targets hit by it for tanks, and bonus damage on the dot for both. That one rune works for both a tank and a dps and has MASSIVE value. Shaman are the ONLY class in SoD designed that way. Everyone else has to make choices between their one focus on runes.
heh bringing up paladins in a shaman discussion.
funny.
thing is with pallies they still can do very large burst damage and are a threat if they get to you without being dispelled or purged.
pure enh shaman are not a threat at all even when they get on you cause their burst is poop.
pallies are still viable in ret spec and also holy and shockadin and tank vs melee .
but ya lets not talk about that. it might upset your point.
Yeah you are saying pve is easier. And fithelement is bottom 10% of pve players.
So imagine fith dueling with below 10 parses. Yet he still wins. Are you starting to see maybe itâs the class?
You just proved my point.
Donât try to argue with Xtra. He lacks the IQ to take in others points.
He is still saying shamans are weak because he is playing a bad spec.
Just a very bad player with 5000 forum posts
there you go again , misrepresenting my posts and my points.
guess if you cant fight with ideas and make actual points , you have to misrepresent and lie .
ahh well . be better maybe?
Bro you have 5000 posts of arguing with people because you lack the IQ to take in others points.
Thereâs a reason no one agrees with you
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you lack the ability to even see my points or point of view on anything and misrepresent me all the time yet im the one who cant see others points?
you really are not that bright are you?
Iâm not even the first one that did it but okâŚ
And yea, what about it? paladins are the alliance side version of shaman. It is not possible to have a discussion about one of the asymmetric classes without talking about the other. They are by nature linked.
Only if they are ret or shockadin. And isnât it SUPER WEIRD how purge is randomly locked to horde, and on the shaman class. Why is it that one of the two asymmetric classes is the hard counter to the other, but not the other way around? Hmmm.
So shaman have 3 other specs that are massive threats, but the 4th is just on par with half the other classes. Woe is me, so sad.
Tank paladins are not viable, not even against melee, what are you smoking? They can WORK with lots of effort, but they arenât good.
I would trade you purge for dispells. Both have some weakness and thats ok. They dont have to be the damn same.
no . the fourth is absolute dog water and the lowest of the low in pvp and is also terrible in pve.
tell me , if ret was as bad as enh currently is (with it being a staple of paladin gameplay just like enhance is for shaman) you wouldnt be making a stink of things even if the other specs were doing well?
i doubt you wouldnt be making a stink especially if its your desired way to play.
but ya .
If they could put on a shield and kill everything in a bg without dying. I think they would be pretty happy.
Itâs only you stuck in your low IQ mindset and are unwilling to change.
I donât get multiple people daily saying this about me sorry
i find it funny that even though people have said that about me , i tend to be spot on on what the devs should do and ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT INTO THE GAME.
really funny how that works right?
but im the low iq one who doesnt know anything about balance and has all the wrong takes.
could you be more wrong ?
I agree they donât have to be the same, but purge is way more powerful than cleanse especailly when you remember that shaman have a poison and disease cleansing totem so they only miss out on magic dispels.
Just a flat out lie. Look at the statistics and look at where the enhancement lands compared to other classes by metric and numbers. Not pure ranking, only idiots care about that. but look at their actual dps and you will see that they are right in line with a ton of classes.
This is a strawman. No one made this argument nor does this argument matter at all. Thatâs not what we are talking about.
I played a shadow priest in original classic and RAIDED on it. You think I care? Iâve mained the same class/spec for 20+ years and always will regardless of how good it is. And when something is wrong with the class I point it out. I donât try and eflect from other problems by saying my spec is weak.