Fix reckoning and hand of justice

[Rombell-yojamba]

You shouldn’t of posted proof, now this thread will be deleted again.

[Theloras-herod]

I played a paladin in past. You lost stacks if you hit attack and weren’t in range… that’s how it was.

that was a bug that was fixed in early Vanilla - here is the history of Reckoning via Blue Posts:

A Short (And Subjective) History (Thanks Nidhogg)
Reckoning originally reset your swing timer + gave you the extra attack if you were in melee range. This was nice, but did nothing if they were behind you (rogue) or at range. There was a bug with this, where if you had a Reckoning attack but were stunned, your swing timer was bugged, and you would not be able to attack until you were crit again (to fire your reckoning off).

They patched this, and gave it its second incarnation. This was the current form minus the charges. This was the most fun you could have as a Paladin to date in my opinion. Unlimited stores equalled insta-shotting anyone with enough charges stored up. The fix was to give Paladins a way to still have the talent be useful (instead of useless by being stunned from behind) and also to fix the attack swing bug the original had.

Well Blizz didn’t like this new method of killing people. Sure it was situational, but it had adverse affects on PvE content. You could, if devoted enough time, one shot the outdoor Raid bosses. There are instances (I dont have the links) of a Paladin getting Kazzak to 50% and even killing him in one swing.

Blizz realized that they had struck gold with this talent fix but needed to fine tune it, so they added a reckoning limit, and voila. They should go one step further and explain the conditions it fails and call it working as intended… but whatever.
http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-paladin/1069149.htm

Poster: Pavonum at 5/7/2006 12:35:58 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Reckoning. Is it fixed yet?
It would appear that this particular issue is still active, but we are currently investigating the matter in our efforts to determine its cause and devise a more permanent resolution. In the meantime, Ochie, I’d like to apologise for any frustration this may have caused you during your battles.
http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-customer-service/9456.htm

Poster: Fangtooth at 9/12/2005 5:52:23 PM PDT
Subject: Re: “problem with reckoning”
We are aware of the issues with Reckoning, and we hope to have them fixed in an upcoming patch.
http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-paladin/407317.htm

Poster: Hortus at 6/3/2005 2:52:04 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Bug? Reckoning resets swing…
Thanks for the report. This issue has been noted and can be found here:
http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-realm-test/40837.htm

Poster: Tyren at 5/12/2005 11:32:06 AM PDTSubject: Hotfix - Paladin talent: Reckoning
We have hotfixed the Paladin talent Reckoning to stack a maximum of 4 times. This change will take effect the next time realms are restarted.
http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/3097293.htm

[Immolator-rattlegore-777077]

Thanks, I guess I remember that bug being a major pita

[Theloras-herod]

It dropped it when you hit attack and were too far, it dropped it sometimes on CC vs you. It was buggy mess.

Most annoyingly they never had an icon to tell you stacks iirc so often you had to get add on and pray it’s accurate.

it was fixed/patched early on in Vanilla - see the post I just wrote above

[Theloras-herod]

Thanks, I guess I remember that bug being a major pita

yes indeed - hence they fixed it

[Rombell-yojamba]

I played pally end of vanilla and I faced 3 rogues and was cc a ton, the stacks worked perfectly like it did during classic (other than start stop macro)

You ate a crit, you got a stack for your next swing. Was pretty simple.

[Immolator-rattlegore-777077]

Did they ever add icon to keep track of it?

[Rombell-yojamba]

Not in vanilla, I quit my pally by bc.

Went a dream state Druid.

[Immolator-rattlegore-777077]

Bummer, that would have been a nice Ui candy, instead of addon hunt for it

[Döt-grobbulus]

/sit crit to gain charges isn’t an exploit - it’s simply how spell batching works

It is how it worked for most of vanilla, yes. However there was a specific patch that attempted to remove that mechanic, go sit without using stand to confuse the server and you WON’T get a reckoning charge. That’s why doing it in the current iteration is an exploit.

They aren’t gonna punish for it, but it’s an exploit nonetheless.

[Theloras-herod]

read what I wrote here

Fix reckoning and hand of justice

“Normally if you’re sitting down you would not get Reckoning charges from auto-attacks. However, you could gain charges from random NPCs by constantly sitting and standing up due to server lag: mob would try to attack you as your were sitting, so it’d be a forced crit. However, if you stood up just as you were getting hit, the server would see you as if you were standing and get a Reckoning charge.” ^^^that was written by Baconn - the Paladin who wrote the stickied Reck guide in 1.10^^^ P…

plus the fact that Seal Twisting followed the exact same logic/mechanic and was considered “Creative use of game mechanics” and not an exploit from the Devs pov:

World of Warcraft Forums

[Lunawolf-darkspear]

surely

then why take any batching away from paladins? and leave for other classes?

[Karix-windseeker]

if blizzard fails to remedy this mistake in a timely manner it will severely reduce player confidence in blizzard’s ability to provide an authentic classic experience

Oh dear. I’m already losing confidence. I mean, there are only about 100,000 different features in the game, yet Blizzard hasn’t fixed this ONE feature yet. What are they thinking?

[Rombell-yojamba]

Blizzard broke the feature only a few weeks ago, that’s why.