FIX LFR. Players with Mythic tier win tier token

[Xiata-greymane]

@Darache-moon-guard

Personal loot wouldn’t make this better, it would be like Shadowlands with people raging in whispers and coming here to cry that they need better odds if the piece is an upgrade.

In personal loot you had options to not loot, and it got mailed to you. No drama.

[Ronstantine-faerlina]

@Larilostra-aegwynn

You mean WoW … This whole game is like Honywood with the age filter off.

That’s why I get kinda creeped by the RP servers.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Jikon-illidan

Or, plot twist, people who ONLY have time to do LFR and can’t commit to a raid team

If you want to raid there are literally one night guilds getting CE. This excuse isn’t valid.

[Branos-khazgoroth]

@Larilostra-aegwynn

I don’t care one way or the other. Just saying it’s interesting to see.

I’m in this boat too. It’s endlessly entertaining watching people who are foaming at the mouth levels of angry about it try to string together a rational-seeming set of arguments.

[Brielle-dathremar]

@Snozay-thrall

If you want to raid there are literally one night guilds getting CE. This excuse isn’t valid

Citation needed.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Brielle-dathremar

Citation needed.

I mean it doesn’t really matter what you believe. There are two night ce guilds as well.

However someone complaining about not having time isn’t going to be playing at that level anyways.

There are lots of two night and one night guilds.

[Jujubiju-staghelm (Jujubiju)]

@Dáddý-area-52

Imagine being petty enough to look who won an item. If it isn’t you it doesn’t matter who won and looking at them is done out of pure pettiness and jealousy.

To be perfectly frank: it’s actually pretty rare when I do that. Extremely rare, pretty much doesn’t happen.

I honestly don’t recall doing that.

Story:

I used to spend a lot of time on my hunter trying to get Revendreth’s Mount. I eventually just got tired of trying and started playing alts.

It’s dropped 1 time in the almost 19 years I’ve played this game. I rolled a 1.

The winner was a new player. I congratulated them and went on with my life.

I might go back and try to farm it again.

No, I know I’m not entitled to loot. All of the adults in this conversation get that.

Just because it’s pretty just isn’t a valid reason to a lot of people.

I love my transmogs, I get your argument. But maybe be considerate of why a person might be asking you for that piece.

Even I have times where I have to double check what I have on before rolling on an item.

But something I noticed (because I had never done some of the old raids the last few expacs): you actually seem to have better chances going back when you’re overgeared for it. My DH seems to be collecting a lot of leather from prior expacs.

So maybe I can finally go get that stupid horse.

Cause I can get bored. Again, I could always go run it next patch if I’m really bored.

The looks aren’t going away. They’ll be there for at least 6 more expacs. Some people are actually there because they are trying to get gear.

There’s a difference.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Raiimir-stormrage

@Abendroth-zuljin

You’re so cool.

I mean, it’s ok that you’re mad. I have empathy towards your plight. I’ve defended Blizzard in the past on some decisions. The “2 minute hotfix backstab” is just a thing they do.

Defending Blizzard on anything is often really worthless, because they will respond to overwhelming negative community feedback like these.

I still defend GL over PL, but seeing how the playerbase behaves illogically I think I’m conceding that they need saved from themselves and PL should be forced in pugs and ML an option for guilds like Legion.

ML also saves all the annoying passing/trading that goes with assigning loot with GL.

[Abendroth-zuljin (Abendroth)]

There’s some ironing to be done for sure. For one, I should be able to roll need on anything I can use, with the addendum that I’m last in priority if I have a better piece, of any name, but I still don’t have to roll greed and roll against the 24 others, many of which will just vendor the piece without getting any other use out of.

[Vestalas-moon-guard]

@Jujubiju-staghelm

The winner was a new player.

I quit taking new players through runs because this happened a lot to me over the entirely of this game. None of those people still play or even continued to play for much longer after getting that drop I wanted. They also didn’t care about the item they got.

You got to look out for yourself first when it comes to mount and transmog runs!

[Membêrberry-zuljin]

But its not though. Most classes/specs see less than a 5% difference between tier/no tier with only 3 spec/classes seeing more

[Athcaelas-cairne]

I mean, who’s the fool at this point? How many times are you going to get tricked into thinking a decision Blizz makes is any other reason besides more profit for them. In every way shape and form you not getting gear is good for them, as long as they can extend your playtime for this stupid digital gear.

[Rigatoní-area-52]

Too bad so sad. You get what you get, and you don’t throw a fit.

[Robokappa-sargeras (Robokappa)]

without players with mythic tier, there is no tier dropping for anyone.

[Jujubiju-staghelm (Jujubiju)]

@Argorwal-ysera

I still defend GL over PL, but seeing how the playerbase behaves illogically I think I’m conceding that they need saved from themselves and PL should be forced in pugs and ML an option for guilds like Legion.

ML also saves all the annoying passing/trading that goes with assigning loot with GL.

Oh I’m perfectly fine with how guild raids run their raids. That’s fine.

I just also think that the Raid Finder Tool (not the queued LFR) should have the option of how loot will be distributed before you can try to form a group.

For me, I both hated PL, but understand why it’s in the game. If you didn’t play the first weeks of Cata LFR, you might not understand where I’m coming from.

It was ridiculous.

That’s where I am coming from. I was also doing normal raiding at the time. But when I did LFR, it was like everybody and their mother rolling on everything for months and not just for themselves.

Months.

The forums were crazy back then too with these types of debates.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Jujubiju-staghelm

@Argorwal-ysera

I still defend GL over PL, but seeing how the playerbase behaves illogically I think I’m conceding that they need saved from themselves and PL should be forced in pugs and ML an option for guilds like Legion.

ML also saves all the annoying passing/trading that goes with assigning loot with GL.

Oh I’m perfectly fine with how guild raids run their raids. That’s fine.

I just also think that the Raid Finder Tool (not the queued LFR) should have the option of how loot will be distributed before you can try to form a group.

For me, I both hated PL, but understand why it’s in the game. If you didn’t play the first weeks of Cata LFR, you might not understand where I’m coming from.

It was ridiculous.

That’s where I am coming from. I was also doing normal raiding at the time. But when I did LFR, it was like everybody and their mother rolling on everything for months and not just for themselves.

Months.

The forums were crazy back then too with these types of debates.

I was here for Cata LFR (I’ve played too long, I need help).

Need/greed in Cata LFR was pure need/greed, not the GL we have now.

Back then anyone could roll need on anything with no protection.

GL only allows rolls on items for your loot spec, and even has separate need (main spec) and need (off spec) which is a very different system then back then.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Athcaelas-cairne

I mean, who’s the fool at this point? How many times are you going to get tricked into thinking a decision Blizz makes is any other reason besides more profit for them. In every way shape and form you not getting gear is good for them, as long as they can extend your playtime for this stupid digital gear.

So what you’re saying is forced PL was a decision based on profit and now removing PL is also a decision based on profit?

[Jujubiju-staghelm (Jujubiju)]

@Argorwal-ysera

GL only allows rolls on items for your loot spec, and even has separate need (main spec) and need (off spec) which is a very different system then back then.

This is where I’m confused because I know the first time I walked into LFR this expac, for some reason the system had me rolling as offspec and not my main spec (I made sure I was set to MS before changing going in).

[Nanami-kaelthas]

NGL 5% is still significant… Every bit helps, doubly so if your not the best player, and Blizzard setting these things up the way they did is just deliberately making gearing harder/worse for everyone.

While you don’t view 5% as massive but I view it as something that is genuinely noticeable. With that said I’m pretty sure Blizzard agrees with my stance on the importance of ensuring players get tier as per blue

@Kaivax

Fixed an issue where players could unconditionally roll Need on Set Tokens. The system will now check if the player owns the Token or the Set Piece itself at equal or greater power.

I would have preferred them to just make tier be 1 look or to just enable every color at and below the piece you pick up at whatever ilvl if your that against making tier a singular palette but this works too

[Vhye-tichondrius]

The mage would have still gotten the tier piece and the outcome would be the same. The bug fix preventing people from getting multiples off the same boss being fixed eliminates the one way in which group loot is fundamentally different from personal loot.