I want to see true hardcore. These two things are the same as something like bubble hearth, it’s in the spirit of hardcore to get rid of them.
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i agree. petri flask’s gotta go 
Curate your own experience.
Don’t like that flask? Don’t use it. Don’t group with/raid with people that require it.
So it’s you and that one other Care Bears dude that won’t be using them, right?
Of course not. Play your way with likeminded others. Have fun.
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Tell me more about these evade spots.
Google is your friend.
Also this thread is one of the discussions involving “resetting” of certain encounters.
So is getting OP to spend an hour explaining it to me.
Work with me here.
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Don’t care about evade spots (most places are a clever use of game mechanics and it has its own risks running to the spot) but they should do something about group drop + petri flask if they’re also opposed to bubble hearth
This is the disingenuousness I’m talking about. Pretending not to know what evade spots are. I have no interest in hardcore, so I don’t care if HC andys cheat, exploit, or cleverly use game mechanics. But that doesn’t mean you don’t know what evade spots are, and I’m not sure why you think this feigned ignorance gives you a rhetorical advantage.
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I’d imagine Glinda didn’t mean what they are but where the are.
I know of alot of evade spots in dungeons and raids but olin the overworld?
Maybe more people would make it out of the Barrens if they knew where the evades spots are in a big open plain.
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I didn’t interpret the OP as not including dungeons and raids.
Nearly every damn tent and barrel with collision
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Things like that are good, it rewards experience and mastery of the game. It’s not usable for raid bosses or things that actually matter. Who cares if you run away in DM:N to reset at the ledge, half the time inexperienced people die while running or screw up the jumps anyway. Using terrain should be part of combat.
Half of the playmaking micro things in starcraft that won tournaments were abusing the janky pathing of the units or knowing specific places to setup in relation to the terrain. But that was good, not bad, it rewarded people who mastered the game and knew how to control and predict where things would be and which terrain could be used cleverly.
Petri/group-drop is more of a problem because outside of some raid bosses it’s a complete get out of jail free card that can be used instantly at any time and takes minimal experience (and group dropping is artificially removing you from a situation). If they don’t like bubble hearthing for the same reason they should remove it for consistency.
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I really wouldn’t be concerned with Evade Spots and Petri. Flasks.
What you should be concerned about is all the griefers that will Leroy accounts just to ruin your day. – Blizzard has stated they will not revive a character under any circumstances.
I’m not advocating for dev focus to be diverted towards fixing all of the wastewater tents in Tanaris. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment. Terrain abuse in an RTS would more correlate to WoW’s PvP than PvE, which is its own topic.
As far as HC goes, it’s highly unlikely devs would spot-treat terrain exploits in only that version of the game while leaving them in Classic Era. Hence, explicitly mentioning which spots they find objectable is relevant to the conversation.
On the petri flask situation, make the HC duration a mandatory 2 hours.
I don’t think it’s at all problematic. Jumping on the tents requires knowledge that it’s possible, works in a specific setting, knowing how to do it, etc. That’s all good, it’s rewarding experienced players for their game knowledge. Inexperienced players will jump incorrectly, stand in the wrong place, etc. and die as a result. That’s what you want, when you have deep knowledge of the game you have advantages, and its fun learning how to do these things. This is how people learned how to do solo DM:N tributes on hunters, that was a cool achievement and rewards skillful players. Bad/new players always think things like this are “unfair”, but it’s good game design as long as it’s not in critical settings (e.g., being able to kite patchwerk which people did at one point). It’s fun to learn how to “break” games within reason, and old game developers understood this.
You could say the same for petri, that it was clever players learning how to take advantage of the group-leave ghetto hearth to escape dungeons artificially, but they’ve signaled they don’t want things like this in the game.
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I would disagree that people abusing things like fences shows mastery, or is good for the game, it’s just another way to cheat. However I also don’t see it as a huge issue, and certainly not one that I would be worth putting any real resources into fixing and would rather they dedicate those resources to fixing fly hacking or more serious issues.
For the petri flask, I agree it really is too much like bubble hearth, and at minimum it would be nice to see some kind of debuff on it so if you used one you were locked out for something like a 2-4 weeks before you could use another.
Dedicated Griefers aren’t really an issue. They fizzle out at RFC or DM level, they get satisfaction from a high number of griefs and that’s the best way to do it. Get past that and your pretty much good. The real griefs will come from your fellow hardcore players. Imagine this scenario, a priest is good buddies with someone who is behind on loot prio from some guy, and that guy happens to be in their group. Doesn’t take much for an “accident” to happen, after all technical malfunctions do indeed happen realistically if you play long enough. That’s just one scenario.
And then we have sabotage from other guilds either for BM or just cause they can. It’s been mentioned before but Bene is one of those things that is very griefable if they don’t change cleaner mechanics. And then we have something classic like two AOE farming mage’s competing for the spot so one of them phones in a buddy to do their best to fear parts of the mage’s aoe into a load of other crap. The real worst player will be that guy sitting next to you.
There’s nothin’ disingenuous about a hug, friend.
Offer stands.
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What if a griefer is in your raid? No Petri even then?
Correct! I think you’re getting it. If you want softcore raiding, play Era 
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