Fire Mage and Enhancement Shaman PvP Tuning - March 15

So “cringe” that we are politely comparing Mage and Rogue. Stop me now or this world will end!

Psure Maro got 3800 on EU playing warrior mage at the end of last season, they definitely can replace the rogue if they need to

Think he also played some WW mage hpriest as well too

Holy RMP just god tier busted though

Weren’t that you who wrote about Combustion deleting people in War Stomp? How exactly would you do even close to that without Meteor?

Apologies if you guys are actually having a good discussion. I actually stopped reading 90 posts back and just assumed you were still tossing out hot takes trying to argue with Dilly that fire mage is bad. Carry on I guess.

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They were playing with hpriest?

Deathborne disc command with Kevin’s oozling and they prob live at 20%. Dying in warstomp was an exaggeration

Rdruid for war mage I believe

Hpriest for WW mage

Your single post spurred him to make like literally a hundred.

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There was also an Arcane Mage in EU at around 3k+ rating. Does that make Arcane Mages good and viable?

You have a point, but you wrote yourself - it is unlikely to happen, so Mage being the one of most important members of RMP is irrelevant.

Arcane mage at 3k rating isn’t even close to rank 1

3800 is top of the ladder lol

That’s a massive difference in your comparison

3k rating is like top 500 or something, not even anywhere near as competitive as top of the ladder

when you engage with posts from fake characters you prank yourself, at this point

Im starting to think Dilly is just bored

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Deathborne + Kevin is a 21% damage increase.
3 FB + Pyroblast is around 35-40k damage. Increased by 21% it is 42.3-48.4. It is not droping people to 20% when geared people have 65+k HP.

Okay, 3k rating is not meaningful. What about second part of my post?

He is. When I ask his opinion, he makes 5-10 posts with the same claim that “Mage is the most important member of RMP” and doesn’t want to admit that it is irrelevant while RMP is strong because it is a comp of similar power in XvX for both Fire Mage and Sub Rogue. So, if Rogue is strong 1v1, Mage shouldn’t be forbidden to be as well.

I am, have too much free time for the first time in months :slight_smile:

The thing that makes rogues strong is because of their strengths and weaknesses, for mages to be better in a 1v1 setting you’d literally just have to make them even stronger alone

Casters have been designed to require melee to set up for them, shadowpriest have the unique strength of being one of the casters that are very independent

You take away the need of having a team mate there to stun for them and mages become so incredibly broken

Literally not having a stun is the only reason mages aren’t S tier in 1v1

Rogues have plenty of strengths and weaknesses but they get to be the mages babysitter which rewards them heavily in 3v3, you can nerf sub rogue damage hardcore and they’d still be super useful for RMP just because of how much they enable a mage

Rogue has to deal with the fact that when it can’t just be the perfect bot for a mage it can get shut down super hard on its goes and people can prevent them from ccing an entire team through positioning, that’s why they’re much weaker without a mage to compliment their strengths

But mage really just needs some form of stun on their team to be useful, it’s the only thing a mage is lacking and why they can perform well without a rogue and still be super powerful

What are you talking about

The only reason I’m responding to you is because I’m bored, I would never speak to you otherwise

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Thank you for admitting that!

Ok, now you go ahead and admit to being wrong, about everything… and dumb.

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Mage is good 1v1, though?

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The discussion went with him depleting his arguments. It does not make me wrong.

No, you being wrong makes you wrong…

With 4+ anticlasses it is in disadvantage against many other classes. This is not equal to being bad, but also doesn’t mean it is good.