I could see it as a skin of blood, since alot of blood had been self healing based, so some abilities an ideas that linked to the red dragon healing fire could be interesting an fit in mechanic an maybe even theme. It also seems Bolvar is using a hammer infused with fire, maybe the red dragon flight life fire in it, so that might be the legion weapon for a full fire spec.
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Ok so am I the only one kinda hoping to see fire spec for dkâs as being a ranged dps spec? I would love to see that a plate caster dps.
I mean theyâre hamfistedly shoving every bit of necromancy under the sun into Unholy, but Unholy was originally more of a Dark Knight archtype than it was a necromancer. Necromancer should be its own class. Necromancer is to Death Knight as Warlock is to Demon hunter, or Priest is to Paladin.
Thereâs plenty of room for 2-4 specs that donât overlap with DK or Warlock.
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Warcraft is not Diablo. Necromancers are not superior or even equal to Death Knights in the fields of raising the dead in this setting. Theyâre plebs by way of comparison.
I wish Diablo fans would stop trying to poison this setting.
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The only thing Iâve seen was a sword, which was just a leveling item for 58-60 area. Bolvar was a unique case, there would be no way for any other DKs to be like him. Nothing about fire DK fits any of their current lore outside of Bolvar himself, and if theyâre going to just give us Bolvar copies, they may as well make Holy Unholy Death Knights that were also Paladins.
Cite your sources. Maybe Necromancers are weak in your fanon, but thereâs nothing in the WC canon that suggests necromacers are worse than DKs at necromancy. The most powerful acts of Necromancy that Death Knights have done are all under a power infusion from the Lich King himself. You forget that Arthas was getting juiced up straight from the Frozen Throne, with NerâZulâs power only wavering after the battle for the Sunwell. During the battle for Icecrown, when the Frozen Throne was bleeding power and the Lich King was near Death, Arthas was basically a mortal with very little magical power, for how little necromantic power he had at the time.
The act of raising the newest 4 horsemen was again, under a direct power infusion from the Lich King.
Thereâs nothing in the lore that suggests DKs are better at necromancy, else the Scourge wouldnât have a use for the Cult of the Damned. If Necromancers are simply antiquated by Death Knights, then the Scourge wouldnât use them in deployment, and would instead redouble their resurrection and training of new Death Knights.
Death is just one form of magical energy. A Necromancer is just a mage who uses Death magics as their primary weapon, just like a Fire Mage uses Fire, or a Warlock uses Fel. Necromancy is as powerful as the user. Death Knights use Death focused runic magic, we arenât really tapping deeply into the dark arts for the sake of necromancy, but more to enhance martial prowess.
http://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/deathknight.shtml
Thereâs everything. Death Knights arenât just more powerful because the Lich King directly empowers them (and he does, which he doesnât for necromancers) itâs because their fallen light is corrupted.
Necromancers are NOTHING compared to Death Knights. Youâre the one acting on fanon, Diablo fan.
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You are aware that WC2 DKs are second generation, and are a totally different magical construct/creature than the playable DKs are, right?
First were orc warlocks in human knight bodies, second generation was fallen paladins taking power from the Lich King instead of the Light, and the third generation are undead knights who use runic magics.
WC2 are first generation and officially unrelated. Chronicle comments directly on this.
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err, i meant warcraft 3. confused the game name for the dk generation
Yes, I am aware the generations are different. This is why you are wrong. The DKs you linked, and the lore you linked, is on second generation DKs, not third generation DKs, which are playable. Yes, they are totally unrelated. You are operating on fanon if you think that second and third generation DKs are the same.
Youâre talking about fallen paladins. They might be stronger at necromancy, but they are literally not the same archtype as the playable DKs, who are risen undead champions of the two major factions. Second generation DKs are living, fallen paladins that take power from the Lich King. Playable DKs donât take power from the LK, and use their runeblades as the primary source of their magical might.
Third gen DKs are not directly juiced by the Lich King. Second generation DKs are. We do not play as second generation DKs. We play as third generation DKs.
Second and Third are only different in not being fallen paladins. The third generation is DIRECTLY EMPOWERED by the Lich King. Necromancers are not. Death Knights can summon Armies of the Dead. Necromancers cannot. Death Knights can heal their undead. Necromancers cannot. Death Knights can directly empower their undead. Necromancers also can.
Everything a necromancer can do, Death Knights do better. Not everything a Death Knight can do, can a Necromancer also do. Because Necromancers are just wizards who practice necromancy. Death Knights were actively empowered champions of the Lich King.
Drop your fanon, Diablo fan. This is not Diablo. This is Warcraft.
Itâs like in your blind Diablo fanon zeal, youâve completely glossed over that Necromancer was not and is not a hero class, and Death Knight absolutely is.
i mean youâre entirely wrong, but you have a thick skull that i dont think lore will break. Think ima disengage because youâre wrong and insist youâre right. Itâs a waste of my time.
I donât play diablo, and havenât played any of the games.
We have only been empowered by the LK during the starting zone and during choice Legion questlines.
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WRONG
Bolver is literally on fire with Dragon healing flames at the moment. Do you even main DK or is this just a part time thing for you? So if the lore says the Lich King is empowered by the Dragon of fire healing now, than how doesnt it make sense to have a Fire knight healing spec? IT IS ONE THOUSAND PERCENT LOGICAL.
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You canât tell me âwhy Iâm wrongâ because Iâm not wrong, so instead you start criticizing me
to try to defame my argument. Hilarious.
Also, rofl, âentirely wrongâ Drak: Death Knights do not have Army of the Dead and cannot heal their undead.
bahahahahaha.
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I mean I would need to go over too much context to correct your misconceptions. itâs not worth it.
The fact of the matter is nothing in my argument is wrong, and you know it.
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I mean you cant destiguish the metaphysical difference between second and third gen DKs. Thatâs enough for me to say, yeah you dont know enough to have a worthwhile conversation on it.
Sure I can. Second generation Death Knights are fallen paladins empowered directly by the Lich King and their fallen light. Third generation death knights are any class (including fallen paladins) empowered directly by the Lich King.
Necromancers arenât empowered directly by the Lich King. Theyâre mages who learned to animate the undead. Death Knights are a hero class. Necromancers are not and have never been.
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This is false, there are very few times weâve been empowered directly by the Lich King.
Youâre a full on liar, Diablo fan. Or did you coincidentally forget the entire DK starting zone?
âAll that I am: anger, cruelty, vengeance - I bestow upon you, my chosen knight. I have granted you immortality so that you may herald in a new, dark age for the Scourge.â
â The Lich King's first words to a new death knight.[1]
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