Finally we have HOGGER back!

You’re making yourself look Silly.

Im just picking on you. Have a Grumbles cookie :cookie:. Honestly a lot of people were just too young for things from Vanilla to resonate with them like it did some of the older folks. I was close to 40 in 2004 when I started. So that may have a lot to do with it.

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Aww… do you mean that? :smiling_face:

subjective in most simplest ways is dependent on each person.

objective is stating facts regardless of personal opinion.

he is for the most part being objective from what I’ve seen.

It is all personal opinion. You think that is fact lol? You have no idea what a fact is. And personally? I think he looked fine. Why? I had no attachments to Hogger bc I did not play classic. So is my opinion WRONG bc it goes against the norm? No… it just means most people will disagree with me which is completely ok.

Bc we are all allowed our own opinions

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We need this as a playable race

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I didn’t say you were wrong. I said he is for the most part being objective. Yes he has said subjective things with his personal opinions but he has also stated facts. Neither did I mention you can’t have your own opinion. That’s fine. That’s how you feel and that’s okay. But that doesn’t mean you can disregard facts to fit your own narrative.

For example: The new one IS better. Simply for the fact it is more accurate to how Hogger is portrayed in game. With his spots, manes, and armor. He is more aligned to how he originally looks. That is not to say the other one looks bad, it’s not the worst, but this one is better because it is more close to the original.

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How am I disregarding facts? This is literally ALL opinion. Some people think, “Thank God it’s fixed!” and others, like me, are like “I don’t understand what was so bad?”

Is it BETTER in the fact of it is more similar to the past Hogger, sure! But better just as… better, as its own statement? That is subjective, not objective

That is where the disconnect was.

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pls no :sweat_smile: to much furry as it is.

Better = Improved.

Do you not think that the newer verison is not improved? Better isn’t subjective lest made subjective. For example “Does she look better?” That’s subjective to each person. He was improved in the sense that he was made more towards the original.

Neither of those opinions you suggested were mentioned by me.

The first statement was all I was saying in that post. Is better BECAUSE he is closer to the original. Versus the other one which looks nothing to the original Hogger beyond being the same race in terms to the older pixelated 2004 model.

I am the embodiment of ‘objectivitiness’

Pure, unadulterated, objectivness.

And I say that this new Hogger looks better than the previous new Hogger.

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…That’s just a Charr from Guild Wars 2.

I’m sorry, but did you not say

Either way. We are getting nowhere /shrug

I cannot refute this. It is irrefutable

Hogger: Rarrr, I’m a badger, or a wolf or something! Rarrr!

I kinda like both versions, but the new one looks much better.

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Glad to see he’ll get his leather armor back to show off his status to the other Gnolls.

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NOPE.
Hogger came WAY before those guys.

Hyena.

He cackles when he comes to bury his ax in your head.

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OG Looks badass and medieval alpha looks like furry BDSM Deviantart

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who cares i don’t think most people even play zoomed in enough to see features.