Actually you will get mixed replies. The WoW forum has both cult like fans and haters.
…what?
Can you give me an example?
Are you saying that “welfare epics” dont exist today?
…what?
Nice job blanket insulting a huge group of people.
You complain people are negative and toxic, while being negative and toxic.
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let’s not. 
Please?
I’m apart of the FF14 community.
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Yes and no… but the way each game “trains” their playerbase does create some starkly different tones and expectations from each player. Probably the easiest way to boil it down is the basis of the loot system in each game.
WoW’s built with a competitive mindset in mind, and drops are rolled for and/or some other system is set up by players to distribute the loot. Even in the era of personal loot for everyone, it came down to who got lucky and “won” the loot rolls. And if you didn’t win… you lost. It seems the general premise is to encourage players to “try, try, try again” and hope things come out in their favour, along with a wider encouragement to chase prestige.
FFXIV is built with a more cooperative mindset, and the main form of gear progression is through currency and tokens. There’s still drops which are rolled for, but currency and tokens are pervasive. And even if you don’t win, you’re usually getting some kind of token that guarantees you’ll be able to get the item you were going for eventually. Even then, there’s always the fallback system of tomestones, which come from damn-near-everything. There’s a lot less lucky involved… and even then, the “better” gear is usually only marginally better than what’s made readily available to casual players through the tomestone system. And it’s not like you’re ever going to fall behind on anything, as even with the worst luck you’ll be done just about any gear grind in two months… and they often drop the weekly loot cap the moment content is no longer current.
In the end, there simply isn’t much point to “getting ahead” in FFXIV.
Progression genuinely doesn’t matter.
… which almost makes it the anti-thesis to WoW’s entire gameplay loop.
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As someone who has played both games more than a fair amount, I think you’re correct. The communities of both games are polar opposites, more or less.
The FFXIV community really doesn’t handle genuine criticism very well and is, as someone else said already, a prime example of toxic positivity. You’re not allowed to openly speak ill of the game.
WoW’s community by comparison is very vocally critical of… well pretty much everything relating to the game. In fact I’d argue we can be too critical of things, to the point we don’t even really understand what we’re criticizing to begin with. It’s not hard to find some very uninformed and outrageous takes here, and that’s not counting the obvious troll posts and the like.
For anyone curious I believe I prefer WoW to FFXIV overall. In the latter I felt that once you’ve caught up with the current content’s end-game there isn’t anything to actually do aside from constant repetition with no real purpose behind it. I’m not a fan of leveling every single job to max by spamming duty roulette, getting them all geared with end-game token-drop loot, and then never playing like 3/4ths of the jobs ever again. And I’ve never particularly enjoyed pushing high difficulty content in MMOs just in general.
WoW by comparison has a lot of different things one can go and do whether it’s part of the end-game grinds, collections, RP, or literally just wasting time, and very little of it feels like it lacks value. Highest raid I’ve ever done iirc was Blackrock Foundry on Heroic, and that’s about a year into my first time playing the game as I started at the end of MoP. I generally prefer Mythic+ to raiding when it comes to actually progression and gearing, but I did really like Vault of the Incarnates, which is the only DF raid I’ve actually done, as my RP guildmaster disbanded one night and I didn’t have a whole lot of money at the time.
Anyway, yeah. FFXIV fans can be way too resistant to criticism while WoW fans can be excessively critical, is my take. Of course generalization is dumb as well, so keep that in mind.
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Anything you remotely say that can be seen negative will result some backlash from that community.
Toxic positivity makes it hard to have a genuine discussion or a productive argument with those in that toxic positivity mindset.
Toxic positivity also make it hard for Devs to find any sort of legitimate criticism from players that they may have with their game their developing for, if you have many people going “Its perfect, its fine the way it is, dont fix if it aint broke, it doesn’t need changes.” then its going to be hard to find the people that aren’t in that crowd and make some improvements based off of that feedback.
Or perhaps sometimes minds think alike and ideals and concepts intersect. For all the rest, I have no idea what you are talking about, but I will take my chances on the idea of being respectful to a fellow sentient, putting stock in things man cannot twist to their own agendas; and in opposing the concepts of individual infallibility, narcissism and a refusal to admit when one is wrong.
This is the differentiating factor between us I think. I embrace and accept I am a flawed creature. I cannot say with certainty whether you feel so, as no one can know another person’s mind as well as they themselves do. So in that light, I will simply thank you for this perhaps unintended compliment. While I have never heard of this person, I feel like we could have a meaningful conversation; unlike the snipes you continue to attempt.
Either way, it doesn’t matter. I forgive you for them. At the same time, since I can see where this sort of dialogue will inevitably go, I’ll cut this off on a positive note and make this our final dialogue. With that in mind, I will close with the same sentiment I did prior. I hope you have a long, fulfilled and wonderful life.
If you think this forum and any other gaming forum isnt full of contrarians, you are lost.
Some people exist purely to take the other side. We see it in politics, too. Someone will be a liberal one day and conservative the next, depending solely on who occupies the white house.
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Well yeah, wow community was always trash.
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FF14 post; opinion disregarded.
Tell me about it. In FFXIV you’re even allowed to make mistakes in dungeons and raids without getting almost death threats, unlike in WoW. I remember my first few dungeons, where I was so afraid to let the other players wait, because of a cut scene, but they all waited for me without complaining. I was like… wtf is happening here??? xD
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Lmao
I’ve spent several thousand hours on both games and honestly… Both approaches have obvious flaws. Sometimes I feel like FFXIV’s community prides itself on being so positive that people are afraid to express even the smallest amount of criticism, and the culture of forced positivity around the game feels kind of cult-like? Obviously I don’t think it’s an actual cult, that’s ridiculous, but it’s the same sort of feel. I can’t think of any other way to describe it.
In contrast, WoW’s community is often overly negative and acts like everything is the end of the world. I don’t bother looking at Twitter, FB or Reddit threads because people acts like every single minor change they disagree with means that EoS is imminent and anyone who disagrees is actually an employee or something.
I find it so bizarre that both games have ended up at opposite extremes in terms of the attitudes of their player bases.
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They don’t have a choice, lol. They’re locked in the starter circle until you finish or skip.
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but if someone does complain about someone watching the cutscene they will get mobbed. It’s considered extremely rude in ffxiv to not let people watch cutscenes.
Where it’s considered extremely rude to watch a cutscene in group content in wow.
I think both sides can have an advantage don’t get me wrong. In wow you are able to progress faster. In ffxiv it creates a more chill atmospher, but if you personally have seen the cutscene a load of times it can get boring.
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I’m quite confused and get the feeling that I’m witnessing a completely different community in FFXIV than the one that’s painted here.
Criticism about the flaws of the game and some shortcomings of Square Enix is widespread and voicing negative opinions is absolutely no problem (e.g. the quality of the graphical update, the story of Endwalker patch content, the convoluted transmog system, the merch store and the account administration website as a whole, some aspects of class and CD design, and much more). I’ve also never been attacked for voicing my distaste of some things. Other players gladly agree with problems if they’re brought up in a normal and understandable matter. Even in the forums there are several topics right now where some of this stuff is mentioned.
But of course it’s expected that people raise eyebrows and will start to argue if someone just throws in stuff like “This story is trash and written for infants” or starts bashing the whole game while stating how everything’s better in WoW.
I just don’t see how it’s any different in the WoW community. There’s also tons of toxic positivity here to the point that people consider every negative topic as “rage-baiting” or start to suggest that you should go see a doctor or seek therapy if you don’t like FOMO.
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I’ll second that.
I’ve largely stayed out of the whole “toxic positivity” debate that’s gone on in this thread, and I thinking is the “convenient lie” some WoW players are telling themselves to reinforce their distaste for the game; there could be some legitimate reasons behind said distaste, but they’ve all clamoured around this “toxic positivity” notion because it’s easy for them use as a sort of scapegoat.
What is true is that the method by which WoW players complain, which is throw insults at the issue rather than articulate the flaws, is not tolerated. And the same can be said for the general laissez-faire approach to allowing players to be jerks like they are in WoW.
So it’s not “toxic positivity”. It’s the FFXIV community and moderators cracking down on the “toxic negativity” that some WoW players seem to pride themselves on. I suppose you could argue that they feel persecuted against, that they’re not allowed to act how they can freely do so in WoW… because it’s more or less true.
I guess the real question is whether or not they’re able to not act otherwise, because I can’t bring myself to do the opposite myself. Sure, I’ll be a smartass from time to time… okay, maybe more like most of the time… but I can’t be trash-talking hooligan.
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NO They even ask how was it… and that what is precious about it
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??? have you not seen these forums?
if you dont have a 1:1 same opinion as others you are berated and yelled at until you DO have the same 1:1 opinion
the exact same happens when i see opinions in servers trade chats, lfg chats, dungeon chats, raid chats, and even these forums
i have no idea what you’re talking about
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I look at it this way, if people are complaining it’s because they care, and let you know what they don’t like. It’s when people stop complaining, and it becomes silent that the Devs and everyone else should worry.
That’s the death knell for the game it isn’t going to be everyone complaining, it’s going to be the silence.