You have a point with PvP, but pvp even before major queueing was always queued content
And we have vastly different definition of lobby. In your other 2 you have to physically travel there, making it not lobby content.
The problem I have with that is, would it cause a reduction in high end content that I play for?
FF has considerably less high end content.
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Only 2 people have to actually go there. I usually just let people summon me.
Also, if I decide to push M+ this season, I get dungeon teleports so I don’t even need to be summoned, can just instantly zone in from anywhere.
The open world in WoW exists to provide daily quests that unlock sockets and conduit upgrades.
That it.
That’s the whole thing.
Then, by your definition, wow has never been anything but a lobby game.
In vanilla i could have just had a warlock summon me.
Why would it? This doesn’t have to be a zero-sum proposition. The developers could add more of the content FFXIV players like while maintaining the same standards for endgame content that players like you enjoy.
Development time, you can’t just add without taking away from something.
FF puts a lot of effort into their story content, this makes high end the first to be cut, they cut the second ultimate from ShB because of the pandemic.
Not really.
PvP ranking was done by world PvP before people learned to optimize battlegrounds.
Crafting used to be the path to a bunch of BiS gear, so that’s also open world.
Ilvs on gear didn’t correlate perfectly with output in early WoW either, so some quests provided extremely good gear randomly, so that’s open world.
But generally, yes. End game in MMOs is lobby based. It has to be in order for it to be skill based. IE: if you could throw 80 people at a 10 man boss, the game would be bad.
The only people who truly like world pvp are people who enjoy ganking imo, so I’m filing this under a good thing.
Crafting is important right now, or do legendaries grow on trees?
I don’t really count that as a positive, there’s nothing “fun” about your best piece of gear coming from a quest you did at level 56 (as was the case sometimes in vanilla). People like getting new things.
same here.
I play both. I have played WoW since Vanilla and I have played FFXIV for six years or so. I have never watched a stream of someone else playing either game, aside from a few Arena competitions. I don’t care what random people do in a video game, anymore than I care what random people do in their life. I don’t know why anyone does. I want to experience things myself, not watch others do it. I am sure I am far from alone in this.
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Why do stream views suddenly dictate which has more players? What if their majority prefers to play the game vs actually watching a stream?
Its not an anime game thought, thats an insult people have created based on graphics and because its from Japan.
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You seem to be under the impression I’m arguing that lobby based stuff is bad for an MMO. I’m not.
It HAS to be that way in order for it to be tuned well.
WF race is fun to watch /shrug.
Most of the time they’re there for the person, not the game. It’s like any other type of entertainment, just depends on what you find entertaining. Some people like to watch men in hot tubs sing to them.
Most people aren’t watching asmon for FF, they’re watching asmon for asmon.
The WoW boomers are in hard denial.
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I just don’t consider WoW as much of a lobby game as FF, I still have to go out to the dungeon/raid.
FF… I just queue, for everything… even the highest end stuff, I get my group together and press queue… and there’s a time limit on how long I can even be in there.
I can see that, but I think they allow Asmon to form their opinions a little too heavily, then. At least, that is what I see here - a lot of parroting “Well Asmon says!!” He may be entertaining, I don’t know. I am likely just too old for that sort of thing, nothing against him.
I don’t know the exact number that the engine limits models on screen, I just know it happens because i’ve seen it, it’s frustrating.
Ah yes, the tired Boomer argument that has zero substance, making everyone’s point for them.
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I think more of it is, they already agree with what he said, but because someone with 50k stubs and 100k viewers agrees with them they feel that’s more validating than their own, singular, opinion.