I just want blink strikes to come back in the hero tree or base talents, so do that please blizzard
Riders is so much better, you are clearly trolling and in no one agrees with you.
Riders summons 1 of 4 pets that each do a pretty unique thing, Aoe/70% slow (not40%) ramping dot, ramping buff. Also mounted combat/temp mount cd. Also great synergy with the specs. Not to mention a 5 % dmg reduction per horsemen⌠The base summon on these pets is 10 sec with your dmg cd summoning all 4 for 20 sec. Having our dmg cd give 20% dmg reduction would be insane.
Compare that to, dmg cd summons 1 pet for 6 second⌠and kill command doing extra dmg on next cast. Plenty of clunky things like, your pet doing an extra attack on barbed shot and a talent that makes your next barbed shot do more dmg. So we need to spam barbed to get off the extra attack but then cancel our empowered dot? Nice thought.
Not to mention the clunky aoe talents. In riders they get a blue saying âdont worry if there are talents that effect DnD we have plans to add those in if you dont spec for them!â While we get no notification of the sort.
In packleader the best thing we have to hope for is that frenzied tearâs extra hit actually procs KC things, but from how it stated now its another âKC hits a little harder nowâ and not âdouble procs benefits from KC talentsâ
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You donât speak for everyone btw lol they arenât trolling at all and make a valid argument
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ârider is such a boring tree, I wish people would stop bringing it up as a good example xdâ
That is a great argument!
I dont need to speak for everyone, just scroll up. Plenty speaking While 1-2 replying to everyoneâs feedback with great arguments like this XD
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âGuns donât kill people, people doâ.
When you strip away the text, mechanically itâs just a buff to KC.
When you look at logs or your damage meter, that damage will be lumped in with Kill Command.
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itâs an independent damage event based on the tooltip description. thatâs like saying âmaster marksmanâ damage is actually just mongoose bite damage, or stomp is actually barbed shot damage. do you think stomp is barbed shot damage? do you think stomp scales with barbed shot damage?
go look at the rider tree. you have an RNG chance to summon a pet that doesnât do anything exciting and does not impact your gameplay at all.
whatâs clunky about kill command extending beast cleave lol. thatâs the most straightforward and comfortable aoe interaction. you donât need to lie to make your point
all expansion DKs have been complaining about all their damage/fun being tied to their cooldowns and being incredibly weak outside of them. do you think tying all 4 horseman to your cd is a good response to this feedback? no of course not.
are you joking? there is no synergy lol. itâs all passive modifiers that you do not play around and you do not think about. it also pushes you to take hard to reach talents for UDK, and pushes you to take two annoying talents as FDK. if that happened to hunter, I guarantee you that you would be whining about it
go look in the feedback thread for rider and youâll see plenty of people that donât think itâs an exciting tree
another example of someone that looks at another classâs hero tree, doesnât really understand it, and think itâs omega cool
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How is that any different from what packleader currently is? What are you thinking about with these talents? Youâve been praising that its 100% all passives. I dont get you mr 100 posts in the thread.
because pack leader impacts how you play for survival? 
people can say rider is cool thematically, but like look at the tree. itâs a rng mess of visual clutter. go read the thread if you truly think Iâm the only person who doesnât like it lol
I believe Iâve been pointing out that dark ranger feedback thread is full of people saying hunter has button bloat and pointing out the hypocrisy that people say dark ranger (1 active) is too many buttons and pack leader (0 active) is too passive, and that both pieces of feedback canât exist at the same time
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Again, I asked what you are thinking aboutâŚhow does this impact gameplay?
Iâve said it before in this very thread but I can post it again if you want
- pack coordination increases the amount of empowered abilities you get during coordinated assault so you can actually use WFB during the cooldown without inting your damage, which gives you more focus to spend
- ferocious tear resets KC which gives you quick shot procs, fote cdr (which gives wfb cdr), ferocious tear could potentially give you a faster focus loop for more aggressive mongoose windows
- cull the herd pushes you to use CA during execute windows for serrated shot synergy
- ferocious attacks actually gives the spec a proc to respond to, and since SV is the least variance spec in the game this is by definition gameplay impacting
- covering fire is self explanatory
You already use WFB, just in between KSâs, so no thought here just passive dmg.
Quick shot is another passive and you hope that the reset mechanic of this counts towards KC own reset interactions.
So your âthoughtful interactionâ is to save CA for executes⌠pretty sure youâll be using it on CD.
Assuming you mean Furious assault? A proc that you dont think about and just send another MB?
2 seconds off carve? bruh
How are any of these thought provoking. The only minor one is the free MB but your just going to immediately send that MB so not much to think about.
I dont think you know what coordinated assault does.
yes, which is more interaction than rider has lol
did you read the rest of this sentenc eor just the name? yes, sending another MB which means you reach max stacks faster. and like I said, we are the lowest variance so no matter how you look at it, itâs gameplay impacting
yes, because youâd want to use it around serrated shots 
2 seconds off butchery, which gives CDR to WFB, which gives CDR to butchery? you donât see how that feeds into itself?
hereâs a question for you. why do you think people say rider is a good example of a tree? whatâs exciting about it? visual clutter? 5% strength bonuses? a dot that does nothing but damage?
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So also passive RNG dmg proc that doesnât change your rotation that also not going to be as strong outside of CDs and that potentially doesnât scale well into AoE ?
Ok.
You mean the 1 choice node that can be reworked ?
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alot of unholy and frost dk mains absolutely hate it in a mechanical sense. rider as a fantasy setting is really good on the nose, but it does nothing but hammer in the issues unholy has with poor design. not to mention the multiple anti synergies it has with affixs and raids. but go on how its the âbest treeâ
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This!!! 100%!
Just have a look at the feedback threads for the hero talents of any other class - they have like 70-100 replies on average, or sometimes up to 200
Huntersâ though, oh myâŚ
- Dark ranger: 525 replies
- Pack leader (this thread): nearing 400!!
This is one of the most recently revealed hero talent trees, yet it has more replies than any other tree for any other class!
Why? How is it possible?
When players like something, they rarely go to the forums to say it. They just assume things must be good by default (normally should be this way). People typically come to the forums when they are unhappy and want to complain
There are these several persons trying to tell everyone else how good Pack leader is, and how trash the other classesâ hero talents are, but we just cannot see it, and yes, they can like whatever they like, but at a certain point itâs like youâre in a room full of people shouting at everybody else: âIâm the only sane person here, youâre all crazyââŚ
So yeah, I think Blizzard have gotten the message. And the message is - both Dark Ranger and Pack Leader are absolute trash and nowhere near the best some other classes have gotten
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Ill give you one guess what one of the most played specs in the game is
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Top 3 for sure:
https ://www.dataforazeroth .com/stats/classes/level70
and yet disproportionately more feedback than any other class, by a very huge margin. Druid has like 100-150 replies per tree for all 4 hero trees, and hunters have twice that for just 2 
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look in the threads and realize that most are actual trainwrecks. dh hero tree comes to mind
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have you ever actually looked in the threads youâre referencing about the trees you say are a good example of a hero tree?
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i mean the first 10 replies pretty much summed up how people feel about how boring this tree is. the rest of the thread is ppl arguing because 1 guy really loves kill command
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