Feedback: Queuing as Alliance and getting matched against an Alliance premade while wearing these stupid masks is probably one of the most laughably terrible decisions I’ve seen the developers make in a while. I know not a lot of people care about the RP/world aspects of WoW but seeing how quickly the developers are to throw the integrity of the world in the trash is just sad.
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Feedback: reward box is horrible. Give us something pvp related or at least something we will use. Getting only filtered draenic water x3 as a rogue is… well pretty pathetic.
Throw me an extra couple of marks and some gold.
FvF bgs are good. Remember for every HvH bg, one team has to lose. Horde don’t suddenly have a 95% win rate.
Wearing the masks is just simply irritating. Keep the tabard.
This is the most competitive classic BGs have ever been. I assume that’s partially why the test got extended, to gather more data.
Still, I think it’ll become obvious that more people are winning closer to 50% of their matches than ever before.
We’re not in a world where you’re either winning 95% of your matches in a premade or 30-40% as a pug.
This change to premades has to stick or test some other system where premades are only matched up with each other.
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Can we take a minute to talk about the fact that I might want some fish too?!?!
…sorry I have no other complaints
I hate the horde vs horde BGs.
I queued to slay Alliance, not to fight horde.
It will make rolling Alliance pointless and kill the faction.
Out of protest I am just feeding kills to Horde as I signed up to these BGs to slay Alliance. It doesn’t quench my thirst. I’d rather wait the 30 min queue.
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I’m loving the cap to premades, and I think having that cap requires horde versus horde be available. I was not at all a fan of horde versus horde, but the PvP experience is significantly better for myself and all of my friends that play WoW right now. Across my two characters these last two weeks I’m 18-15 in battlegrounds. Prior to that I probably won 30% of my games, and that is very disheartening. If premades come back I’ll probably stop queuing battlegrounds, and lose a lot of interest in the game entirely. During the honor grind in classic, 50% of my games were against full premades. I would estimate that maybe 10% were back during the originals. Hardcore modern gamers have transformed the experience, for better or worse, and Blizzard has been forced to adapt.
so I think the problem is with you…
I lose and win games against alliance every day, there are days that I win more, days that I win less, but it doesn’t even come close to the premade x pug stomp…
The main thing I hope is that Blizzard looks at the median/average data and really checks whether the medians are different between these tests.
Premades resulted in a situation where people were winning either 95% in premades or 30-40% in pugs. Those average out to 50% when you add the % of people that queue into premades vs pugs to the equation, but the median is probably well under 50%. Most players queue up solo or in small groups, that’s just a fact.
The problem is that 10-15 man premades win so fast that they queue very fast too due to the pug stomp nature of those.
Now with this test, I’d imagine the median win % is close to 50% and the average is close to 50%.
Most players should be experiencing good, competitive games and less “pug stomps” where they lose all the GYs in AB/EOTS or get rolled in WSG and end up getting GY camped. I’ve only had that happen twice in AB/EOTS over the past 2 weeks. It was occurring way more often than twice before this test.
BGs have been far, far better the past 2 weeks.
Or, just learn to play.
Premades have to be brought back, even if it is in a separate queue…
On the other hand… there is nothing to stop people from joining a premade or making one themselves… that is how the game is supposed to be played. It’s an MMO for god’s sake!
You basically took away the ability to play with friends / guild for a large percentile of the PvP population just to placate a couple whiners who don’t know how to play their class and should probably play retail instead of classic.
Not a good move blizzard!
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The problem is with me? Ok bud, how about this. Boost an alliance to 58, lvl him to 61, queue up for any bg solo. Do that for 8 hours. Tell me how many wins you get. I bet its 3.
So by your logic the problem would then be you right.
Gtfo, alliance as a whole are terrible at bgs. Facts. Sure I win some games. But its a fluke and rare, and in those cases where alliance win, a phenomenon happens.
That guy who spams strats in /bg all game is actually listened to, and people actually communicate and don’t over rotate and we get the victory. But that happens 3 times in 8 hours I promise you.
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Got it, so premade is a way around it?
So just answer me one question, do you think a premade x pug is fair?
I also think the premades should come back, but in a separate queue, premade x premade, I want to see premade’s chat friendship last longer than three losses in a row, because premade’s fun is to stomp a pug, I want to see when it starts to lose from another better premade, in an instant they’ll run to the solo queue
Yes premades are the way around it.
Premade vs pug is not fun at all. Its a means to an end. Its fast honor, its to get the gear we need to have fun in arena. Every premade I’ve been in we pray for a premade vs premade, that is actually fun.
I agree allow 15 man groups to queue, and put them with opponents who queued with 5 or more. If you queue with less than 5 put em with the solo guys.
With the faction v faction im sure 15 v 15 premades would happen naturally.
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This is the right answer really. Allow premades vs premades, which should be more reasonable with HvH a thing.
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oh yeah this is a goofd idea this is for logs only btw
This change has been awesome. I’ve had more guildies and friends’ do bgs than ever before. It isn’t like the old TBC in 2007, but no one has time for the old TBC, everyone is much older now and we all have rl commitments,so these QOT changes have made our experience much more enjoyable.
The only change I would recommend is increasing the honor gains. It still takes weeks of consistent PVP just to get a couple of measly blue honor pieces just so we can step foot into the arena. Why is there such a high bar just to be arena-ready? These minimal honor gains is such a deterrence to even do arenas.
Another suggestion: If rewards from the box do not get changed, at least change the Enlistment Bonus box from blue to white. It’s not rare, it’s trash 
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I’ve had more fun playing this game over the past few weeks than I have since Classic release, great change please keep it in the game.
as an alliance solo queue player I’ve completely stopped playing BGs because there is no incentive to sit for 30+ minutes in a BG getting farmed for honor with a 95%+ loss rate.
thanks blizzard for giving the horde insta-queues though, real cool that I can’t faction change to get a more FAIR win-rate.
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This is either really small sample size, or just you. It’s been pretty even in my case, maybe slightly towards Horde 60/40.
Edit: Yeah 95% is a straight up lie. It’s definitely 50/50 or 60/40 at worst. If anything, Horde is LOSING more because they have instant queues and half the team is AFK. Blizz needs to clean out these AFKers weekly.
95 is a little overboard but i can say it is more than 60/40 prob 70/30 favored towards horde